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Windlace Paint Suggestions?

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#1 ·
I dug out some old '65 windlace I had that were originally beige but had been painted black. I have
no idea what type paint was used but it came off pretty easy with some Eastwood Paint Prep and
a burgundy scrub pad so now I'm back to the original color.

I am installing original black interior and need to repaint the windlace black again. Does anyone
know of a good quality plastic type paint that will work with these originals? Also, what do I need to
do in order to prep the plastic to accept the paint?

I'd welcome any suggestions on a black paint that anyone has used. Thanks!
Sam
 
#6 ·
SEM prep and paint works very well on plastic and other interior materials.

I dont know about other years/gens but 3rd gen aftermarket “molded” windlaces are pieces of crap! I bought and returned 2 pairs of unacceptable new ones...absolute junk. I ended up buying a roll of universal windlace and cutting it to length. It looks “ok” but not anywhere near restoration quality.
 
#7 ·
I dug out some old '65 windlace I had that were originally beige but had been painted black. I have
no idea what type paint was used but it came off pretty easy with some Eastwood Paint Prep and
a burgundy scrub pad so now I'm back to the original color.

I am installing original black interior and need to repaint the windlace black again. Does anyone
know of a good quality plastic type paint that will work with these originals? Also, what do I need to
do in order to prep the plastic to accept the paint?

I'd welcome any suggestions on a black paint that anyone has used. Thanks!
Sam
consider using the original windlace.

though other brands may differ, the new stuff from J&W Nova Parts does not look the same, nor is it the correct size (much smaller than '66, not sure what '65 is like). and the red color looks cheesy compared to the original. plus, it's kind of ripply where the metal is imprenated, which looks lame compared to the OG lacing. of course, personal opinion.

on the color change front, i had good results with the aerosol wax/grease remover, paint prep, and dupli-color paint. will check on the brands tomorrow, but everything was from local Advance Auto.

-Rusty
 
#9 ·
I am sorry, I read slow so I dint read all the posts, my bust.
The wind less color is a major interior choice. I am dumb when it comes to the inside. JR

Oh.. Say its a light inside make the wind less a lil darker. Its trim after all. JR
 
#12 · (Edited)
OK guys, I understand what you are saying but.....The windlace that is being offered is a very thin type compared to the
original windlace that came in the car. I stuck some of the new windlace on the pinch weld and it did not fill the gap between
the windlace and the stainless that holds the side glass gasket. The original is fairly wide and when I pushed it onto the pinch
weld it filled the gap. I have to leave home right now for a family reunion but I'll take some photos and post when I get back so you
can see what I'm talking about.
 
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#14 ·
OK guys, I understand what you are saying but.....The windlace that is being offered is a very think type compared to the
original windlace that came in the car. I stuck some of the new windlace on the pinch weld and it did not fill the gap between
the windlace and the stainless that holds the side glass gasket. The original is fairly wide and when I pushed it onto the pinch
weld it filled the gap. I have to leave home right now for a family reunion but I'll take some photos and post when I get back so you
can see what I'm talking about.
that's precisely my point: it is not the same size.

i would "dye" the original.

if prepared correctly, the $6 Duplicolor will adhere just as well. my windlace was $35 plus any shipping. you should be able to get this done for under $20 and it will fit correctly, look good, and take very little effort.

-Rusty
 
#15 ·
I understand everyone's point of view. I'm an almost perfectionist but some things just can't be perfection no matter how
hard we try. I stopped at O'Reillys on the way home to look at what they have. They did have the Dupli-Color black HVP104
Gloss and the HVP106 Flat. After I got home I looked for a Vinyl and Fabric Dupli-color in Satin or Semi-gloss but they don't
exist. I took my rear glass trim out and looked at it and it looked like a satin finish.

I looked at SEM products on Amazon and found that SEM sells a Satin Black Vinyl paint 15243. At this point I'm determined
to put my originals on after being prepped and painted. Just got to figure out which I want to go with.

Probably won't be able to match anything to the interior window trim. Trying to match paint to the rear glass trim is probably
going to be a game of futility. I don't mind spending a few dollars in order to get something that looks correct though. I'd still
like to hear from the guys that have used the SEM products about prepping the windlace and what you used.

To help settle the ideas on the windlace, I took a couple of photos of the GMclassic windlace 69109-3 and the original so you
guys can see how much difference there is. Mind you now, these came off of a '65 so I can't attest to what is correct for the
earlier models.

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#16 ·
This thread prompted me to pull all my original windlace out of the trunk. I'm glad I saved it. It looks like crap but after I rubbed the gooey black stuff off it looked great and fit perfect. I will be painting it without a doubt. My interior was a forest green I believe, but going black. I've heard too many stories of repop that fits bad.
 
#18 ·
JR, what company did you buy yours from? Do you have a part number available? I always look at all the options and yours
has become one. When you say tight are you saying they are tight slipping onto the pinch weld or tight in the space between
the pinch weld and the outer part of the roof line where the stainless mounts to the door opening? I'm curious. Below are photos
of the 69109-3 and the original windlace mounted on the pinch weld so you can see the spacing. The original takes up all the
space whereas the 69109-3 does not.


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#19 ·
Update: FYI, I went with Dupli-color because it was available at O'Reilly Auto.
Gloss Black HVP-104 Dupli-Color
PS-200 Grease & Wax Remover
CP199 Adhesion Promoter
Windex and a lot of scrubbing with lintless cloth.

I followed your instructions on cleaning the windlace so I have high hopes it'll stick and last for many years with
care.

This is what it looks like. I'm satisfied. It matches the front and rear headliner plastic trim pretty good. Not perfect but
as good as it's gonna get. Thanks for helping me through another part of my project.
Sam

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#21 ·
Update: FYI, I went with Dupli-color because it was available at O'Reilly Auto.
Gloss Black HVP-104 Dupli-Color
PS-200 Grease & Wax Remover
CP199 Adhesion Promoter
Windex and a lot of scrubbing with lintless cloth.

I followed your instructions on cleaning the windlace so I have high hopes it'll stick and last for many years with
care.

This is what it looks like. I'm satisfied. It matches the front and rear headliner plastic trim pretty good. Not perfect but
as good as it's gonna get. Thanks for helping me through another part of my project.
Sam

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very nice result.

you beat me to it, had all the cans arranged for a photo just as you listed them--then the kids interrupted and brain fade grabbed me.

should look great for years to come, and it fits and doesn't look hokey. well done.

-Rusty
 
#22 ·
Old geezer chiming in late...the laces back then just like other plastic and vinyl products had a specialized prep solvent cleaner and a specialized bonder/primer which was necessary for a good paint or dye adhesion...on the other hand, the paint or dyes wore off with use as they were surface coatings only. I’m doubtful that the current off the shelf products will supply much of a satisfactory long lasting finish as recent government regulations have greatly reduced the amount of plasticizers and solvents in modern products and they differ greatly with vintage products. Since these products have aged their solvent levels have also changed, and their compatibility may be in question As well. Only trial and error will tell. I’d have to check to see if the original prep sols and bonders are still available but I doubt it. I do know a “ vintage” body specialist I could ask if need be.
 
#24 ·
let's be honest: most of our cars will see relatively minor wear and tear, and lead garage-kept pampered lives compared to original usage, mainly away from harmful UV rays.

case in point, our garaged '66 has the black window trim sprayed Dupli-Color red for years and still looks great--and the only prep was wiping with paint thinner using paper towels.

using cleaner prep and adhesion promoter should provide adequate adhesion, keeping things looking decent for years to come.

-Rusty
 
#25 ·
Thanks for your info guys. If there were special products used back in the day, then who ever made them should have known
what they were doing. I hope the same theory is correct with today's products. There have been many discoveries in plastics
and chemicals over the decades so my only choice would be to rely on the opinion and experience of you guys who have used
the more modern products. I would think that a large company like Dupli-Color would have done some research before marketing
a product for this specific purpose. The windlace is a part of the car that would have less wear so my thinking would be that it
would be durable. Of course, I can be wrong and it'll just flake off instead of wearing off but I also did some bending tests on
my windlace this morning and didn't see any deterioration such as cracking. I guess only time will tell. If it fails maybe some
company will have offered a suitable windlace substitute by then.

Once again, you guys have come through with great opinions and advice. SNS is the greatest!
NPHNP, (y)
Sam
 
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#26 ·
On another note.....While I was rambling around on the internet I happen to run across some windlace that is produced for
the 1968 Nova which has a very similar design. Only problem is it isn't offer in "by the foot" sales. I did find it listed on a site
and they listed the original manufacturer as being GOLDEN STAR. Unfortunately I couldn't find any reference to who they
are or any info. If this was offered in optional lengths, it just might pass as a substitute. Anybody know who this company is?

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