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i never had body or paint work done. i always poured money into performance. i am the president of the A.G.N.S. car club (all go no show). when i was younger i felt it was cool to have the crappy lookin car that never lost. now as i get older i want something that looks good and performs well. so just for fun i start callin body and restoration shops and my god you got to be kiddin me i'm gettin quotes from 3000-4000 and UP what the hell is going on was it always like this??????:eek::confused:
 

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The stuff that everyone hates to do (or can't do) is always more expensive. You not only pay for time and materials but there experience. If you find the right guy it is totally worth it.
 

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Yea its pretty outragous! Do as much of the prep work that you can such taking things apart, sanding, replaceing pannels, removing interior, removing the trim and so on. That can cut the cost dramatically.
 

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Bodywork and paint is a pretty expensive step on a car. Usually one of the most expensive. I am currently restoring a 74 Gran Torino "Starsky and Hutch" clone for a guy. Started out to be about a 5500 - 6000. restore but here we are now into almost 14,000.00 Why did it go up so High? Car was media blasted and every outer panel except the hood and roof had to be replaced. Noone makes aftermarket parts to fit this veh. So basically we had to go used. Labor can be very intensive and usually is. Depending on the body's shape and condition. Materials are not cheap if you are using name brands materials. The better the quality of the restore, The higher the price will be. Around here, 3000.00 to 4000.00 will get you a basic straighten and repaint with moderate R+I's of trim and accessories. To completely dissasemble a car down to shell, restore and reassemble, usually start around 15,000.00 around here for a quality job.
 

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obviously you've never done any body work or paint yourself.:no: It is very labor intensive and time consuming. also, paint is very expensive. to paint my nova it cost 1300.00 just in paint:yes: plus primer, filler, patch panels and all the labor. A lot of work for sure. It sucks!:yes: If you do a car right from start to finish you will understand.
 

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If you can get a good complete body and paint job for 4k then do it. Most complete paint jobs on 40 year old cars run around 10K give or take. I have been given quotes as high as 15K. I have seen cars with 25K paint jobs:eek:
 

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i understand why paint jobs cost so much, what i want to know is why the paint cost so much.
 

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thanx guys i dont have a show car here. it will be a daily driver, and street racer .i will do everything i can myself. i was always a firm beliver in. if u want to save money. and u want it done right. figure it out, and do it yourself. i will more than likely will let the guy do all the painting. but i will do all the body work. sanding, cutting, grinding. hotroding to me means. you do as much as u humanly can. im not sayin these guys dont do good work. they do fantastic work. ha ha if u got a show queen. but i didnt spend all this go fast money on my car for it to sit around in a garage. or on a trailer. s**t i even plan on breaking it. or oh maybe even drive it in the RAIN
 

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I couldnt agree with you more. I dont plan on having my car on a trailer ever. If I cant drive it because I have spent so much $ on it whats the point, but I do love seeing those perfect cars at shows just not for me.
 

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Body work will be the VERY last thing I do after everything else on the car is exactly the way I want it. We've had discussions like this before, once you start you basically ride around in what looks like a beater. Unless you have the patience to start, tear it all down, be dedicated, put the car up, and finish all in one shot.

Body work to me is all about patience, nothing can be "good enough" it has to be perfect or it will show under the paint. When you get to a point where you start saying that, it's time to have a beer and stop for a while.

One thing about it though, it's a hell of a workout even with power tools, sometimes there's just no substitute for hand sanding and feeling your way. Hence why it can get so expensive, the amount of physical labor is ridiculous.
 

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i never had body or paint work done. i always poured money into performance. i am the president of the A.G.N.S. car club (all go no show). when i was younger i felt it was cool to have the crappy lookin car that never lost. now as i get older i want something that looks good and performs well. so just for fun i start callin body and restoration shops and my god you got to be kiddin me i'm gettin quotes from 3000-4000 and UP what the hell is going on was it always like this??????:eek::confused:

I used to feel the same way you did, THEN. . . .

I painted my own car. Now I'm much more sympathetic to the prices these shops charge for body and paint work. I'll grant you, there are a lot of shady guys out there that are taking advantage of folks, but the shops that are reliable and do good work are usually worth the money.

Keep in mind, if you're talking to professional shops, that these guys feed their kids, pay their bills, and (most likely) pay the mortgage on their business with the labor costs they charge you. It takes a lot of money to make a living painting old cars, and that's why so few guys are out there doing it.

For the most part, it's just simple math. When I was going through paint/body on my 77, I loosely kept track of the hours I was spending. We VERY CONSERVATIVELY estimated just shy of 230 hours from first sheet of sandpaper to completion. The shops in my area with good reputations charge between $50-65 and hour (most are closer to $65 than $50):

230 hours X $50/hour = $11,500.00

My materials cost right at $2100.00, so total cost would have been, roughly, $13,600.00 had I shopped the car out. I will tell you this number is consistent with the three estimates I got on the car before I decided to paint it myself. Truth is, I seriously doubt I could have gotten the job done on my car for $13,600.00 at a professional shop. We did a lot of work on the car that I didn't account for in my estimated hours (TOTAL hours are quickly approaching 550).

I'm not defending every shop out there because some of them really are outrageous, but the truth is that really good body/paint guys are hard to find and they're in high demand. Blame it on Rides, Barret Jackson, or just all the baby-boomers burning through 401ks. The truth is, there are more guys out there wanting to "restore" old cars than there are good body men. The result? Higher demand and higher prices for the guys who do know what they're doing.

You're best bet is to do the car yourself if you have the time, patience, skill, location, and tools to do the job right. If not, just keep in mind that paint and body work, like most things, operates under the old addage "You get what you pay for". If the price seems to good to be true, you can be sure it probably is. . . .

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Good point Perple,

Sometimes you go to shops also and they don't even want to touch an older car. There's just no money in it for them. Why would they want to spend hours upon hours on an older car prepping and painting it when they can make the same money in a couple hours on a newer car insurance job popping brand new panels on something? Blend the paint and they're done, money in the bank. This opposed to entirely stripping an old rod and starting from scratch. There's a shop around me that does some pretty good work but they try to keep their work to Mercedes, BMW stuff like that where the profit is really high compared to the work.
 

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all go no show???

sounds like my kinda party!!!

where do i sign up? :D
 

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Good point Perple,

Sometimes you go to shops also and they don't even want to touch an older car. There's just no money in it for them. Why would they want to spend hours upon hours on an older car prepping and painting it when they can make the same money in a couple hours on a newer car insurance job popping brand new panels on something? Blend the paint and they're done, money in the bank. This opposed to entirely stripping an old rod and starting from scratch. There's a shop around me that does some pretty good work but they try to keep their work to Mercedes, BMW stuff like that where the profit is really high compared to the work.
That is exactly why alot of shops do not restore cars. Some wont even do a complete paint job. Why?? No money in doing it. I work in the Insurance business. Used to be a body guy for many many years. I worked at over 12 body shops and I will say out of all of them, only 3 did restore/completes. None of the other shops would even think of doing it. I do them on the side for some guys but I tell them in advance "This is a part time gig for me" If they want there cars done in weeks. They are talking to the wrong guy. I have been restoring the Torino for about 2 years for the guy. Some of the time was spent searching for all the panels but lets just say, every body line on the car will be straight and true and the car will be straight as an arrow. The car is being based and striped together and clear coated apart and then will be completely assembled. He has bought all new mldgs, weatherstrips and glass.
 

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Body work is very labor intensive. Thats why when your buying a project, your better off getting a body thats all done with no drive line in it. Cheaper to install all new drive line then it is to get a good paint job / body work.:yes:
 

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ok

im not looking for a full restoration!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i will do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i want a paint job!!!!!!!!!!!!! not someone to do the work for me:mad::mad:
 

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Have to teach yourself, do the work, then build a booth and spray it :)

That's what I'm doing on mine - course I have an inside line, as my dad was a body man, but not since the 70s.

Has all the tools and all though, so we're ahead of the game .

Take some local classes, most trade schools or community colleges have body classes, I took two at a local trade school, nights.

Good luck

~ AL
 
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