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We are under attack here in Ontario and our hobby is in serious danger. Recently The Ministry of the Environment (MOE) has decided to start performing roadside checks on classic vehicles. During these checks they are looking for the removal of emission equipment such as Pcv, egr,charcoal cannisters, catalytic converters and any other emission equipment that may have been removed. The problem is is that they are using the year of manufacture of the engine block and when it was installed in the vehicle and not the YOM of the vehicle. So as an example my 1969 Nova that has a mid 90's engine block will have to have all the emission equipment that was on the engine in the 90's and also pass the all the emission requirements of a 1990's vehicle unless I can PROVE that the engine was swapped/installed into my Nova before 1999. This means that if we cannot get an exemption passed into legislation I will have to install catalytic converters, a charcoal cannister, pvc, egr etc or face heavy fines if stopped.
Here's the exact text of the MOE law as currently written:
Emission Control Equipment for Kit Cars, Rebuilt Cars and Hot Rods
4. (1) A kit car or a rebuilt car that receives its first permit under the Highway Traffic Act on or after January 1, 1999, shall include, as part of a system to prevent or lessen the emission of contaminants, all of the original pollution control systems and components, or equivalent replacements, included or usually included with the motor of the rebuilt car or kit car by the manufacturer of the motor. O. Reg. 361/98, s. 4 (1); O. Reg. 86/99, s. 3.
(2) A hot rod that receives a motor replacement on or after January 1, 1999, shall receive a motor designed to meet emission standards at least as stringent as those achieved by the original motor with all its original emission control equipment attached and functioning, and the replacement motor shall have the original catalytic converter and all the original emission control equipment, or equivalent replacements, included or usually included with the replacement motor by the manufacturer of the motor. O. Reg. 361/98, s. 4 (2); O. Reg. 86/99, s. 3.
A petition has been started by MPP John O'Toole (Durham) to gain an exemption and we need a minimum of 10,000 signaturers. Several thousand have already been aquried and submitted but we need more.
Downloadable/Printable PDF. File
Click the link titled: Petition
http://www.performanceimprovements.com/
A printable petition and more information is also available here:
http://ontariorodders.activeboard.com/f549737/general-car-talk/
Here is a Q&A letter (credit: oldguy71acadian...Hi Joe
) clipped from http://ontariorodders.activeboard.com/ that might also help to clarify.
Dear Sir,
Attached is a response to your email of Feb 26th, 2012. Thank you, Sincerely, Donna ChenDirector’s AssistantMinistry of the EnvironmentSector Compliance Branch305 Milner Ave. Suite 1000 Scarborough, ON M1B 3V4 Telephone: 416-314-0274Fax: 416-314-4464Email: [email protected]
See Below (Long Read)
____________________________________________________________
Ministry of the Environment
Sector Compliance Branch
305 Milner Ave, Suite 1000
Scarborough, Ontario
M1 B
Ministère de I’Environnement
Direction de la mise en
conformité des secteurs
305 Avenue Milner,
bureau 1000
Scarborough, Ontario
M1 B
March 1, 2012
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your dated February 26, 2012 to the Honorable Jim Bradley, Minister of the Environment, and the attached enquiry you recently made to the Ministry’s Drive Clean Office. The questions that you posed were forwarded to the Sector Compliance Branch for response. The Sector Compliance Branch administers the Vehicle Emission and Enforcement Program. The officers in this program are the ones that perform the road side emission inspections. In response to your questions we offer the following:
Q1 - lf a newer late model engine (say a 2009 LS engine) is installed in a pre 1988 vehicle, it must have all the emission controls that came with that engine?A1 - Installing the 2009 LS engine into a pre 1988 vehicle would make the vehicle fall into the
hot rod category. So in this scenario the vehicle is required at a minimum:
I to meet the emission standards of the original engine that was installed in the pre 1988 vehicle and;
I the replacement engine is required to come equipped with all the emission equipment that would normally come installed with, in this case, the 2009 LS engine. This is to ensure the emission standards of the original engine are being met by the replacement engine.
Q2 - If a pre 1988 vehicle has an engine swap with a same year engine, the new engine must
be as emission efficient as the original and haveall the emission equipment that the car came with?
A2 - lf a pre 1988 vehicle has an engine swap with a same year engine and that engine was not available with that model vehicle then it would still be considered a “hot rod” and it needs to meet the same requirements as the above scenario.
lf a pre 1988 vehicle has an engine swap with a same year engine that was available on that model vehicle for that model year:
The vehicle would have to maintain all of the emission equipment that that originally came installed by the manufacturer on that vehicle.
Q3 - So here is the scenario that most people are concerned and confused about in the "Hot Rod" sector. As an example, say a person installs a year appropriate crate engine V8 into say a 1966 car that originally came with a 6 cylinder. Do they follow the car year scenario or the engine scenario?
A3 - ln this scenario a person installs a V8 crate engine (the block size does matter as sometimes different V8’s were available in the same year, ie. 350 cubic inch) into a 1966 car that originally came equipped with a 6 cylinder engine.
lf in 1966 a 350 cubic inch V8 engine was available on that model of vehicle for that year then it would have to maintain the emission equipment that originally came installed on the 350 cubic
inch engine of that year.
lf the 350 cubic inch engine was not available on that model vehicle for that year then it is required at a minimum:
I to meet the emission standards of the original V6 engine in the 1966 vehicle and;
I is required to come equipped with all the emission equipment that would normally come installed with the crate engine.
Q4 - What exactly does the MOE look for when they inspect the vehicle? People in the hobby want to comply but are confused as to how the process and requirements are. Can you please clarify further with examples. I would like to post these findings so that others can have a clear idea of what they need to do. I appreciate any and all information that you can provide.
A4 - Ministry of the Environment officers inspect vehicles to ensure they are in compliance with emission standards set out under the Environmental Protection Act. Officers can inspect any vehicle
I emitting excessive exhaust smoke and/or
I to ensure compliance with Drive Clean requirements and/or
to ensure emissions control equipment hasn’t been tampered with, removed, bypassed, modified, or altered.
When inspecting passenger vehicles, officers visually check for emission control equipment that would have been installed on the motor or motor vehicle when it was manufactured and determine the level of compliance or non compliance.
Emission control equipment that Ministry of the Environment officers look for during an inspection include but are not limited to; catalytic converters, EGR valves (exhaust gas recirculation valve), PCVS (positive crankcase ventilation), evaporative fuel systems, air injection systems, fuel metering systems as well as a number of sensors and modules connected to the electronic engine control system.
Each component is designed to reduce certain contaminants. When a component isn’t working or is removed, excessive smog causing pollutants, (nitrogen oxides, hydrocarbons, and fine particulate matter) as well as other toxins such as carbon monoxide may be emitted into the atmosphere.
Vehicle owners, including dealers, are responsible for ensuring that their vehicles have the correct emission components and meet Environment Protection Act standards. These standards are not verified at time of a safety inspection and the onus is on the operator and owner for compliance. Vehicles are also originally equipped with emission control information under the hood of the vehicle.
All vehicles must have their original emissions control equipment (or suitable replacements) in place and working. But vehicles do not have to be retrofitted with emissions control equipment, if the motor or motor vehicles were not originally manufactured with them.
Dealerships and vehicle manufacturers can provide information about what equipment should be installed in particular vehicle models.
The Sector Compliance Branch is currently working with the Specialty Vehicle Association of Ontario on a plain language guide to explain these requirements and address similar questions. Your questions will be valuable in preparing this guide. Once the guide is finalized we intend to make it public through the Association and our own website.
Thank you, again, for taking the time to bring this matter to the attention of the ministry. If you have any further questions please feel free to contact Rick Lalonde at 416-314-4804.
Sincerely,
Andj Dominski
Director
Sector Compliance Branch
I cannot understate the need to get this petition signed and an exemption passed into legislation. Please educate yourself, call your MPP and spread the word. We need to make our elected officials aware by getting as many signaturers as possible. If we cannot get an exemption and they continue to enforce the law as it is currently written our hobby will change forever.
Signed copies of the petition can be dropped off or blank petitions picked up at any Performance Improvements location and many hot rod parts retailers throughout Ontario.
Links to MPPs that are working on our behalf:
Steve Clarke MPP Leads-Grenville. A copy of the petition is available on his web site here: http://www.steveclarkmpp.com/index.cfm?ID=107
John O'Toole MPP Durham Region. http://johnotoolempp.com/
Here's the exact text of the MOE law as currently written:
Emission Control Equipment for Kit Cars, Rebuilt Cars and Hot Rods
4. (1) A kit car or a rebuilt car that receives its first permit under the Highway Traffic Act on or after January 1, 1999, shall include, as part of a system to prevent or lessen the emission of contaminants, all of the original pollution control systems and components, or equivalent replacements, included or usually included with the motor of the rebuilt car or kit car by the manufacturer of the motor. O. Reg. 361/98, s. 4 (1); O. Reg. 86/99, s. 3.
(2) A hot rod that receives a motor replacement on or after January 1, 1999, shall receive a motor designed to meet emission standards at least as stringent as those achieved by the original motor with all its original emission control equipment attached and functioning, and the replacement motor shall have the original catalytic converter and all the original emission control equipment, or equivalent replacements, included or usually included with the replacement motor by the manufacturer of the motor. O. Reg. 361/98, s. 4 (2); O. Reg. 86/99, s. 3.
A petition has been started by MPP John O'Toole (Durham) to gain an exemption and we need a minimum of 10,000 signaturers. Several thousand have already been aquried and submitted but we need more.
Downloadable/Printable PDF. File
Click the link titled: Petition
http://www.performanceimprovements.com/
A printable petition and more information is also available here:
http://ontariorodders.activeboard.com/f549737/general-car-talk/
Here is a Q&A letter (credit: oldguy71acadian...Hi Joe
) clipped from http://ontariorodders.activeboard.com/ that might also help to clarify.Dear Sir,
Attached is a response to your email of Feb 26th, 2012. Thank you, Sincerely, Donna ChenDirector’s AssistantMinistry of the EnvironmentSector Compliance Branch305 Milner Ave. Suite 1000 Scarborough, ON M1B 3V4 Telephone: 416-314-0274Fax: 416-314-4464Email: [email protected]
See Below (Long Read)
____________________________________________________________
Ministry of the Environment
Sector Compliance Branch
305 Milner Ave, Suite 1000
Scarborough, Ontario
M1 B
Ministère de I’Environnement
Direction de la mise en
conformité des secteurs
305 Avenue Milner,
bureau 1000
Scarborough, Ontario
M1 B
March 1, 2012
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your dated February 26, 2012 to the Honorable Jim Bradley, Minister of the Environment, and the attached enquiry you recently made to the Ministry’s Drive Clean Office. The questions that you posed were forwarded to the Sector Compliance Branch for response. The Sector Compliance Branch administers the Vehicle Emission and Enforcement Program. The officers in this program are the ones that perform the road side emission inspections. In response to your questions we offer the following:
Q1 - lf a newer late model engine (say a 2009 LS engine) is installed in a pre 1988 vehicle, it must have all the emission controls that came with that engine?A1 - Installing the 2009 LS engine into a pre 1988 vehicle would make the vehicle fall into the
hot rod category. So in this scenario the vehicle is required at a minimum:
I to meet the emission standards of the original engine that was installed in the pre 1988 vehicle and;
I the replacement engine is required to come equipped with all the emission equipment that would normally come installed with, in this case, the 2009 LS engine. This is to ensure the emission standards of the original engine are being met by the replacement engine.
Q2 - If a pre 1988 vehicle has an engine swap with a same year engine, the new engine must
be as emission efficient as the original and haveall the emission equipment that the car came with?
A2 - lf a pre 1988 vehicle has an engine swap with a same year engine and that engine was not available with that model vehicle then it would still be considered a “hot rod” and it needs to meet the same requirements as the above scenario.
lf a pre 1988 vehicle has an engine swap with a same year engine that was available on that model vehicle for that model year:
The vehicle would have to maintain all of the emission equipment that that originally came installed by the manufacturer on that vehicle.
Q3 - So here is the scenario that most people are concerned and confused about in the "Hot Rod" sector. As an example, say a person installs a year appropriate crate engine V8 into say a 1966 car that originally came with a 6 cylinder. Do they follow the car year scenario or the engine scenario?
A3 - ln this scenario a person installs a V8 crate engine (the block size does matter as sometimes different V8’s were available in the same year, ie. 350 cubic inch) into a 1966 car that originally came equipped with a 6 cylinder engine.
lf in 1966 a 350 cubic inch V8 engine was available on that model of vehicle for that year then it would have to maintain the emission equipment that originally came installed on the 350 cubic
inch engine of that year.
lf the 350 cubic inch engine was not available on that model vehicle for that year then it is required at a minimum:
I to meet the emission standards of the original V6 engine in the 1966 vehicle and;
I is required to come equipped with all the emission equipment that would normally come installed with the crate engine.
Q4 - What exactly does the MOE look for when they inspect the vehicle? People in the hobby want to comply but are confused as to how the process and requirements are. Can you please clarify further with examples. I would like to post these findings so that others can have a clear idea of what they need to do. I appreciate any and all information that you can provide.
A4 - Ministry of the Environment officers inspect vehicles to ensure they are in compliance with emission standards set out under the Environmental Protection Act. Officers can inspect any vehicle
I emitting excessive exhaust smoke and/or
I to ensure compliance with Drive Clean requirements and/or
to ensure emissions control equipment hasn’t been tampered with, removed, bypassed, modified, or altered.
When inspecting passenger vehicles, officers visually check for emission control equipment that would have been installed on the motor or motor vehicle when it was manufactured and determine the level of compliance or non compliance.
Emission control equipment that Ministry of the Environment officers look for during an inspection include but are not limited to; catalytic converters, EGR valves (exhaust gas recirculation valve), PCVS (positive crankcase ventilation), evaporative fuel systems, air injection systems, fuel metering systems as well as a number of sensors and modules connected to the electronic engine control system.
Each component is designed to reduce certain contaminants. When a component isn’t working or is removed, excessive smog causing pollutants, (nitrogen oxides, hydrocarbons, and fine particulate matter) as well as other toxins such as carbon monoxide may be emitted into the atmosphere.
Vehicle owners, including dealers, are responsible for ensuring that their vehicles have the correct emission components and meet Environment Protection Act standards. These standards are not verified at time of a safety inspection and the onus is on the operator and owner for compliance. Vehicles are also originally equipped with emission control information under the hood of the vehicle.
All vehicles must have their original emissions control equipment (or suitable replacements) in place and working. But vehicles do not have to be retrofitted with emissions control equipment, if the motor or motor vehicles were not originally manufactured with them.
Dealerships and vehicle manufacturers can provide information about what equipment should be installed in particular vehicle models.
The Sector Compliance Branch is currently working with the Specialty Vehicle Association of Ontario on a plain language guide to explain these requirements and address similar questions. Your questions will be valuable in preparing this guide. Once the guide is finalized we intend to make it public through the Association and our own website.
Thank you, again, for taking the time to bring this matter to the attention of the ministry. If you have any further questions please feel free to contact Rick Lalonde at 416-314-4804.
Sincerely,
Andj Dominski
Director
Sector Compliance Branch
I cannot understate the need to get this petition signed and an exemption passed into legislation. Please educate yourself, call your MPP and spread the word. We need to make our elected officials aware by getting as many signaturers as possible. If we cannot get an exemption and they continue to enforce the law as it is currently written our hobby will change forever.
Signed copies of the petition can be dropped off or blank petitions picked up at any Performance Improvements location and many hot rod parts retailers throughout Ontario.
Links to MPPs that are working on our behalf:
Steve Clarke MPP Leads-Grenville. A copy of the petition is available on his web site here: http://www.steveclarkmpp.com/index.cfm?ID=107
John O'Toole MPP Durham Region. http://johnotoolempp.com/
