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no but i do relize what that means im not a member of the nhra im a member of the psca ( pasific street car assoc. ) we do run on nhra member tracks my car isnt fast enough yet for chassis cert but i will still need the sfi stamp when i get my roll cage. i didnt mean to bad mouth the nhra if it wasnt for them we would not have such an awesome orginization to help us little guys out :yes: i have a 63 nova and cant run any national events except summit series but i have to try this event out first i havent done that yet im not dialed enough wait until my father finds out he is building a 53 studebaker for comp eliminator hes not going to be happy :no:
 

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NHRA announces changes to competition fees
Wednesday, April 08, 2009

Effective immediately, NHRA is increasing all competition fees, including license, permanent numbers, and chassis inspection. The new fees for these services are reflected in the forms available online at www.nhra.com/competition/forms.aspx.

NHRA has not raised fees in more than a decade, and, given the current economic environment, NHRA needs to adjust fees to help offset some of the increased costs for these services. In addition, and at national events, NHRA will increase the insurance surcharge.

It should be noted that these fees, even as increased, do not cover the costs for sportsman programs. NHRA will continue to subsidize costs to provide these programs. NHRA remains committed to sportsman racing, and these increases will assist us in being able to continue to provide premier racing programs at the national, divisional, and local level.


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committed to Sportsman racing?:rolleyes::eek::mad:

That is a flat out, bold face direct LIE!:mad:

ESPN/NHRA could give a rats "A" about the sportsman racer.:mad:

And in these trying times they have a increase!:eek:
When everyone is having to tighten up the belt they pull this crap!

And they up the insurance charge for all tracks!:eek:

Screw NHRA!

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NHRA has lost sight of the folks that built it, the grass roots sportsman racer. All they want is to pack the stands for the nitro events. If they did not have a couple of teams fielding several cars they could not even fill the field for funny car or fuel dragster.

It will not be long before NHRA will be replaced with ADRL for the spectators. IHRA will take all the sportsman racers. Sad to see the NHRA go but they did it to themselves. You have to remember where you come from. I will drive an extra two hours to avoid an NHRA track.
 

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You guys can keep your ongoing NHRA BS
We don't have a choice here in Ca.

All they want is to pack the stands for the nitro events.
They can't seem to understand that if the sportsman racers didn't show up and pay all the bills, there wouldn't be a nitro event.

ESPN/NHRA could give a rats "A" about the sportsman racer
ESPN does run a Sportsman TV show, but it's just the alcohol cars with a few seconds of Stock, Super Stock, Comp, and some of the Stupor, er..Super classes. I would rather see Stock/Super Stock/Comp followed by a few seconds of alcohol cars.
 

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For the life of me I cant see where some of you are coming from when it comes to the NHRA. Its not perfect but until someone comes up with something better, ya and dont even throw in that REGIONAL IHRA circuit in for mention. Tough to balance catering to the masses (sportsman) and try to run a pro show for profit.
Al you blow the sportsman horn as THE financial support that keeps the NHRA afloat, remember, the people that come with/to see the sportsman guys? Al I respect your opinion and would like it explained. Last time this came up I asked what YOU would do in the NHRA's spot. You didnt respond.
Its clear you see the NHRA as the antichrist. But I ask again, HOW WOULD YOU balance the TV draw(pro's) with running the pay for play sportsman guys.

One more thing, this isnt aimed at anyone in particular but some of the pics of tracks that sone run Im positive arent NHRA member tracks because they look like hillbilly death traps. Just one thing that never seems to get mentioned about what the NHRA has done for drag racing.

OK, flame away. Al I want your answer.
 

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blow the sportsman horn as THE financial support that keeps the NHRA afloat
Mike,
How much in entry fees do you think guys like Force and Shumacher pay to take up all that pit space? And how much do you suppose it would cost YOU to race at a national event?
Have you seen where the sportsman racers pit at Pomona recently? What used to be spectator parking is now the pits because teams like Force and the big boys take up huge amounts real estate. I'm aware the fuel cars are what draws the crowds, but it's still the sportsman racers that pay the bills.
 

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ESPN does run a Sportsman TV show, but it's just the alcohol cars with a few seconds of Stock, Super Stock, Comp, and some of the Stupor, er..Super classes. I would rather see Stock/Super Stock/Comp followed by a few seconds of alcohol cars.
I agree on this. I now go to the US Nationals every year on Friday only. For 20 years I had gone on Sunday and Monday, but once they screwed us on our seating we decided to quit going on those days. I go to watch the super stock class run offs with the Hemi shootout. I could care less about watching super gas, super comp or the a/fuel classes.
 

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For the life of me I cant see where some of you are coming from when it comes to the NHRA. Its not perfect but until someone comes up with something better, ya and dont even throw in that REGIONAL IHRA circuit in for mention. Tough to balance catering to the masses (sportsman) and try to run a pro show for profit.
Al you blow the sportsman horn as THE financial support that keeps the NHRA afloat, remember, the people that come with/to see the sportsman guys? Al I respect your opinion and would like it explained. Last time this came up I asked what YOU would do in the NHRA's spot. You didnt respond.
Its clear you see the NHRA as the antichrist. But I ask again, HOW WOULD YOU balance the TV draw(pro's) with running the pay for play sportsman guys.

One more thing, this isnt aimed at anyone in particular but some of the pics of tracks that sone run Im positive arent NHRA member tracks because they look like hillbilly death traps. Just one thing that never seems to get mentioned about what the NHRA has done for drag racing.

OK, flame away. Al I want your answer.
It's very clear, the answer.
Your a spectator!
And if you look at this thread it's has the answer & proof.

There are more NHRA Sportsman racers than spectators!And the new NHRA will see this when it's to late!

Don't even get me started on the rules for NHRA & Sponsor profit.

And as for as the answer to your previous post, just because I don't answer means nothing. And if we were standing toe to toe, I am sure you would get a clear understanding of my Hillbilly "A"!

Drag racing is a participating sport. Always has been, always will be.


Guess what drag racing "Show", participation sells out in hours, advance seats sell out within months. Carries a 4 to 1 higher TV rating? Hummm, and it's nothing but sportsman racers! SOLD OUT!!!! STANDING ONLY TICKETS AT THE GATE!

Today if you talk to anyone who knows nothing about drag racing and ask say what they know about the sport, their answer is!

John Force & XXXX,, THIS IS A FACT! (XXXX is the same answer to question above) IT"S NOT NHRA!

Ask the same people who know nothing about NASCAR,
Answer is Richard Petty, Daytona.


I am participating in Pinks this month end. because I am going, there are over 25 friends & family going. And one member here on Steve's is flying in from California! When I went to the NHRA event here last year, only 2 friends I know went. They had a massive crowd in attendance for the NHRA event, they did not sell out!

No Drag Race NHRA or IHRA in the last 5 years has "SOLD OUT" Not even close! Not even the US Nationals!

The sportsman racer when he attends a national event brings on average 7 people (outside his crew) that come to see thier friend and the big show!

And in the past, the midway was a street racer & sportsman racers Paradise from the factory displays and support.

You want to support the TV & the big show! I can tell you this! The tracks are not making the money of the past. The spectators pay for the sport. And half of those spectators from the past when they sold out came from presence of there racing buddy. The poor old Hillbilly "A" that makes his famous pass, for him a pure thrill to the bone. A thrill no spectator of any kind can ever experience. This is what pays the bills. This is what supports the very existence of the performance aftermarket. These are the parts the regular guy sees on his buddy's race car.

Tracks don't sell out, they disappear, it's easy these days for land to be worth more than the drag strip.

I can tell you this. No one loves the smell and thrill of a Nitro car than me! No one has more pride than the ownership of a NHRA Wally than me! I respect what Wally Parks was about. I am a sportsman racer, I support drag racing. I will never pay the high dollar ticket for a national event just to see a Nitro car. And my family and friends will not attend because I don't attend.

The sportsman racer does not go for TV, they go for the chance to drive down a first class track, full of all their friends and family. Who attend for that chance to see thier local hero & friend and also see the bonus of big show Nitor cars also.

NHRA will never be main stream, never! It will never be a NASCAR, Indy car, Formula One. It is a home boy built in the back yard sport that is supported by it's sportsman racers. Without them they fail.

You sir the spectator who only watches the Big guys! Your not on the radar. You have no clue to what I am talking about. You sir the last standing has become the minority in this sport of Drag Racing!


NOTE: Ask Billy Myer what happened in the late 80's when he purchased a fast growing IHRA and dropped the Sportsman Classes? HISTORY HAS A WAY OF REPEATING IT SELF!




Antichrist: is one who fulfills Biblical prophecies concerning an adversary of Christ while resembling him in a deceptive manner.

Think not! You are! (instead of Christ it's the NHRA)


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Calm down Big Al, I'm not the enemy here. We share more views on this than you might think. I have more to say/ask on this subject than I'm willing to type on this BBerry. Later
 

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Bottom line is the NHRA has done a lot for the sport and safety around the sport. They may not be the end all but neither is any other organization. Competition from other groups helps level the playing field plus gives more people an outlet for the organization they wish to race with.

How many other sporting organizations haven't raised prices in 10 years? I would say that's pretty commendable and a rarity. Ticket prices for National events are a bargain even at $40 or $50. That equates to about $4 or $5 and hour for something you love to watch and be around...sounds like a bargain to me.

No organization is going to make everyone happy, that why there are other outlets and groups people can choose from. Sometimes it just comes down to how badly you want to do a hobby that you love or maybe step back and maybe realize it might not be something you have as much passion for as you once did.

It's a business and has to be run like a business as most sporting fields are or it can't continue. Business decisions often go against what people like to do but again something has to change. Doing the same thing yields the same results.
 

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Spectator? I guess you're right since ive been out of the game for a few years. Ive bracket raced and ran jr's with the kids but I guess that doesnt count. With the money Ive spent on parts you would have a hard time convincing my wife about the spectator status, but wherever you want to place me thats fine. One things for sure im a BIG SPECTATOR when it comes to watching the PRO's at national events.
Lets make one thing clear, I wasnt calling you out Al, I WANTED TO HEAR YOUR OPINION. I WANTED TO HEAR IT IN THE PREVIOUS THREAD AND WHEN YOU DIDNT RESPOND I ASKED AGAIN WHEN IT CAME UP HERE. You provide a lot of good information and I wanted to hear your take on what direction the NHRA should go. SO SHOOT ME!
Hillbilly? wasnt a word I used toward you and maybe I should use another word about some of the tracks out there. How about RINKY DINK death traps? I wont mention the names because some probably call them home but ive seen videos and been to two tracks myself that I WOULDNT LET MY DOG CHASE A BALL DOWN!!!!! Just so happens these were not NHRA sanctioned tracks. You mean to tell me you give no credit to the NHRA for bringing some of these places up to a safe standard?
PINKS??? You're preaching to the choir on this one. I think PAO is the best thing to happen to sportsman racing in a long time along with outlaw style ten five racing that kind of reminds me of some old nhra classes but im sure your familiar with those, hmm? I was at infineon PAO as a SPECTATOR and never saw a packed house get so excited over ten second cars. It was great. BUT, put a tree out there and an index in between fuel cars and it makes it really hard for me to get a beer because of the long lines. Understand what Im saying? Sportsman racing is great but really thrives with the type of PROPER PACKAGING that shows like PAO provides.
Keep in mind im giving my opinions of what the masses like at PROFESSIONAL events. I love sportsman racing but am not fooled into believing that they are 'the' show at nationals. Im not saying you believe that either but some people do. Jeez man I know two guys that run all the west coast nationals in SG and one in Comp. Its a party when the Comp racer gets past two rounds because its so difficult. No doubt the effort/skill that goes into that operation.
Back to the original topic, does the NHRA need sportsman racers at national events to survive? Honestly I dont know. I agree with you somewhat about the mainstream comment but in my opinion the NHRA rivals indy car racing already if you leave out the indy 500. How can a pro team afford to race nationals? Do they still pay 25 G's plus contingencies to win? At four times that amount a fuel team couldnt break even so how can they do it? Sponsorship or course. Why do companies sponsor drag teams? TELEVISION PERIOD...... No other exposure comes close to TV time. So, the NHRA has to package their show to please the TV audience. you would agree on that?
This is the basket they have decided to put their egg's in and we'll have to see if it works out.
To me the NHRA is still the best thing going, wait, let me rephrase that. When it comes to presenting a marketable PRO package and support sportsman racing its the ONLY thing going.
Good luck on Pinks Al. I wish I could be there to watch. I didnt buy into the PAO in september at Famoso because I didnt think my car would be done and I was right, it wont but maybe next year.

And Bowtie, You're right about the little guys getting squeezed into the boonies at nationals. At infineon they keep getting pushed farther up into the hills.
 

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The TV show does not need the sportsman racer. the tracks and the sanctioning body do.

Yes, "NHRA" does need sportsman racers to survive. I believe I have stated the reason.

Saftey! yes, NHRA does deserve credit for saving lives. But they also make rules for profit and self serving the sponsors.

Drag racing is not main stream! Never has been, Never will be.

Maybe one day when you loose interest in the hobby you will understand.

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"Loose interest in the hobby"?

Then I'll understand?

It sounds like I've hit a nerve and that was not my intent.

FWIW to me the savior has been the nostalgia scene.
 
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