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It would be really interesting to know the true history of the fastback cars. How many where actually built and is there truly only one left?

I just re-read the article in the NOVA SS Muscle Car Color History and the part about the fastbacks is told by Gordon Apker.
When I spoke to him in ~1994 after seeing the car for sale in Hemmings, I was told it was the Allen Green car; he told me he purchased it from **** Milner who had it in a garage in Puyallup since sometime around 67.
According to **** when I talked with him a week or so ago, the Apker car was one of the cars that was built for road racing (like the white one in the For Sale ad posted on here). He evidently bought one of those and painted it up like the AG car. If you notice, the road race versions weren't the altered wheelbase setup. Sounds like it was a "sort of" clone.
 
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Bill Thomas built 3 cars for chevrolet to go road racing @ sebring. The even put 427 mystery motors in them. Then chevy pulled the plug on him and he was supposed to destroy them. Instead he sold them to drag racers. 1st Allen Green car, 2nd CKC car & the 3rd to platt (Dixie Twister) car.

In the Nova SS book published by motorbooks international, page 100 it has the story about the cars. The Apker car was the Alan Green car. The CKC car was raced into the mid 70's. The dixe twister was destroyed 2 months into it's dragracing career.
If somebody has this book please scan the story. I dont have a scanner.
 
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They didnt start as altered wheelbase cars. So you could easily go back to stock.

 

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The problem with the Motorbooks/ Muscle Car Color History NOVA SS is the information on the fastbacks appears to all from Gordon Apker. With the information Mike got from **** Milner the information may not be all correct. In this book it mentions that there were three cars and one was destroyed within a couple of months when owned by a LA Chevy dealer. If true, this would leave only the Green and CKC cars. I still believe the CKC car, Dixie Twister and the Doyson car are all the same vehicle.

The Green car was constantly being modified when it was raced. I was around the shop when Thayne Porlier put the straight axle under it and I may be wrong, but I believe Thayne shortened the wheelbase and put an Olds rear under it. When I spoke to Apker in ~ 94 he claimed he had the Green car which he got from **** Milner and partially restored it back to a Chevy II front suspension, a Vette IRS with stock wheelbase and a 67 L88 427. He felt was a close as he could get to one of the Mystery motors. It is the white car in the book. If the information Mike received from **** Milner is correct, that car is either the LA car rebuilt or Apker went to alot of work to build a "clone". I realize $25K was a lot of money for an old race car in 94, but I doubt that amount would have justified building a car from scratch.

I am not claiming to be an expert on the fastbacks or calling anyone wrong. There are just a lot of inconsistencies in the history of the cars. Maybe Wayne at NNN, Andy who now owns the CKC car and **** and Meagan Milner can pool their information and get a true history of the cars. It would may a very entertaining article for Hot Rod, NNN or even a small book.

Bruce
 
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Bruce Thanks for your input. I just have a lot of books & magazines to get my info from. Its alot better hearing it from those that lived it.
Thanks again

P.S. If you have any pics please post them.
 

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I wish I had been smart enough to take pictures. I was between 9 and 12 when this was all going on. It was just part of life. The Allen Green car and Adair&Porlier and later Porlier Speed Specialists Anglia matched race very often during those years as they were close, et wise, door cars. My father helped contribute to the Porlier car( usually short blocks and Muncies) so I often went to the races and helped clean up the shop.

What I do remember best were the games both teams played. It was either a three or five race program and the only real race was the last. The 454 in the fastback came as a surprise one race as it been a small block for its early life. The Anglia ran anything from a 302 to 365hp 327 parts dept motors (old time crate motor) to 377's. With the CSC 454 the fastback started to getting the upper hand. Somehow Thayne came up with a 402 small block, I believe built by Chet Herbert, that was supposed to be same spec as the motor used in the dragster that was the first Chev past 200mph. It evened things up until the Chevy II started running "exotic" fuels. The Chevy II had a violent engine explosion at Puyallup and that may have been when they quit running it. Shortly after that, Green started running a tube chassis 67 Camaro funny car and the fastback disappeared.

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I have not found a copy, but I seem to remember CSC using a picture of the Green fastback in their magazine ads for their 454 stroker motors.

I have not seen it mentioned in regards to the history, but at the time Allen Green Chev was a dealer for the Bill Thomas Cheetahs. Might be part of the reason they were able to the fastback
 

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Thanks for the pics.

THat is a really neat car. And I love seeing the vintage pacific raceways pictures! added bonus.

so is that the roof off a barrucuda or ...... ???
 

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Thanks for model info!!! I have been holding on to a couple of the Twister kits and an AMT 63 Chevy II trying to figure out how to build a decent version of the fastback. This makes it very easy.
 

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When I get back home I'll give **** a call and get him on here again. He hasn't posted for a while but he can clear up all the questions. I'm sure he'd love the models too.

It's COLD and nasty here in New York, especially after being in Scottsdale for 4 days!
 

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For those still interested, Super Chevy's 2007 Nova special has an article on the CKC fastback. The magazine is available through Super Chevy back issues. This article states that four cars were built. The CKC car came through **** Harrell, the Alan Green car and Houston Platt in Georgia. The fourth car according to the article was converted to a street in is "in the hands of a collector"
 

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The "collector" was probably referring to Gordon Apker (sp) here in Seattle but it was a conversion and not the real thing according to **** Milner. That was quite a while ago (years).
 
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From every thing that I have read on the fastback cars there is only 3. In all the magazines that I have, no were do they mention anything about a 4th car. And:yes: I have a lot of magazines
 
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