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I needed a pair of shocks for my 3rd gen. I decided to go with Viking shocks and found a listing on Ebay through Classic Performance Parts / CPP and decided to use the "buy it now" feature. After waiting several days and not seeing any shipping notification, I noticed that the ship date was a month and a half away. It turns out that CPP is listing parts that they may not have on hand. This is clearly misleading and deceptive. Generally, when dealing directly with a manufacturer or reseller, if an item is backordered, the buyer is informed shortly after the order is placed. In contrast, CPP has Ebay listings showing "4 available" when they actually have "0 available". It is also worth noting that they have a fair amount of negative feedback on their Ebay profile for such practices, as well as failing to refund customers and accept returns.


Be aware and beware. I've requested they cancel my order, this has not yet happened. My next course of action will be to contest the charge directly with my credit card company.
 

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I needed a pair of shocks for my 3rd gen. I decided to go with Viking shocks and found a listing on Ebay through Classic Performance Parts / CPP and decided to use the "buy it now" feature. After waiting several days and not seeing any shipping notification, I noticed that the ship date was a month and a half away. It turns out that CPP is listing parts that they may not have on hand. This is clearly misleading and deceptive. Generally, when dealing directly with a manufacturer or reseller, if an item is backordered, the buyer is informed shortly after the order is placed. In contrast, CPP has Ebay listings showing "4 available" when they actually have "0 available". It is also worth noting that they have a fair amount of negative feedback on their Ebay profile for such practices, as well as failing to refund customers and accept returns.


Be aware and beware. I've requested they cancel my order, this has not yet happened. My next course of action will be to contest the charge directly with my credit card company.
I hate that S%!#!!! I had the same thing happen with another vendor on there, Tamrazs... Scummy thing to do!! Thankfully, eBay has a pretty good policy of giving people their $ back when no contact from or product not received from seller. I also typically use PayPal to pay so there's an extra layer of safety as they will go after the seller if eBay doesn't fix it promptly. Sorry, brother!! That sucks!

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Apparently, Tamraz is permanently closed. GOOD FRIGGIN' RIDDANCE!!

Let all scumbag sellers be pushed into the dustbins of yesteryear!!

Caveat Emptor... right?!?
 

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I'm not sure at which point it became "OK" to post stuff on Ebay that you don't have in stock. If you're showing "4 available" for a product you have listed, the expectation is that you actually have 4 available, on hand, ready to ship...not that you have zero on hand and that you're probably pre-selling this stuff before you actually place an order with a manufacturer for X number to cover the orders you're accepting.

I get the whole concept of minimizing on hand inventory because stuff that's sitting around collecting dust, is actually an expense. But you have to approach this with some level of transparency to the buyer.
 

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I'm not sure at which point it became "OK" to post stuff on Ebay that you don't have in stock. If you're showing "4 available" for a product you have listed, the expectation is that you actually have 4 available, on hand, ready to ship...not that you have zero on hand and that you're probably pre-selling this stuff before you actually place an order with a manufacturer for X number to cover the orders you're accepting.

I get the whole concept of minimizing on hand inventory because stuff that's sitting around collecting dust, is actually an expense. But you have to approach this with some level of transparency to the buyer.
I bought an AutoGear (AG) Super tail shaft extension housing last year for my Muncie M22 and the seller stated he had them in stock, however I have found out he is a drop-ship seller and has no physical inventory. After three weeks of a no show on the shipping, I cancelled my order and eBay promptly refunded me. I then this last month ordered another one from the same guy after speaking with him and he assured me they were in stock at AG so I bit the bullet and bought it. Showed up in two weeks but I had an issue with the casting quality and some serious core shift so I called AG and spoke to Nathan there and he handed the phone over to the Goat himself, George Smollish, and had a great discussion with him for about an hour and a half. Interesting guy. He and Nathan sent me a replacement immediately and even sent me a return label for the old one to go back. Best customer service ever!! I will buy direct from them only from this point forward! NOTE: He regrets providing some of his smaller sellers with the accounts to drop-ship but, times have changed and $ is not easy to come by so, of course the profit isn't either and the board of directors who now owns the foundry AG uses which only apparently cares about the # of widgets they sell, not the product itself.
 

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Yep been through too much negative stuff with that company. I will never buy a product associated with them and definitely not one manufactured by them ever again.
For Viking coil overs give Walt a call at Classic Nova and Perfromance in Ashland OR. He's a great guy, knows Novas, and has competitive pricing. Nowadays I'd much rather do business with a person and spend a few extra bucks.
 

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I needed a pair of shocks for my 3rd gen. I decided to go with Viking shocks and found a listing on Ebay through Classic Performance Parts / CPP and decided to use the "buy it now" feature. After waiting several days and not seeing any shipping notification, I noticed that the ship date was a month and a half away. It turns out that CPP is listing parts that they may not have on hand. This is clearly misleading and deceptive. Generally, when dealing directly with a manufacturer or reseller, if an item is backordered, the buyer is informed shortly after the order is placed. In contrast, CPP has Ebay listings showing "4 available" when they actually have "0 available". It is also worth noting that they have a fair amount of negative feedback on their Ebay profile for such practices, as well as failing to refund customers and accept returns.


Be aware and beware. I've requested they cancel my order, this has not yet happened. My next course of action will be to contest the charge directly with my credit card company.
Call ebay and ask them to intervene now if the seller hasn't canceled the order soon after you requested. There are so many middlemen on ebay...they are selling items they get the actual suppliers to drop ship. Ultimately, a lot of this crap is coming from China. Man, I miss the good ole days when everything was Made in USA.
 

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Why not order from Summit..? I’ve never had any issues with them. I ordered a trailer hitch and wiring harness on Wednesday. The harness came in this morning and the hitch should be in on Saturday. If something is on back order it usually is indicated on the product details page.. If it’s in stock it says how many are available..
 

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Why not order from Summit..? I’ve never had any issues with them. I ordered a trailer hitch and wiring harness on Wednesday. The harness came in this morning and the hitch should be in on Saturday. If something is on back order it usually is indicated on the product details page.. If it’s in stock it says how many are available..
Searched the product number I needed and couldn't find it on Summit. Now I'm kicking myself wishing I would have just called Viking direct instead of dealing with CPP. I was told that the order would be cancelled last week and I've received no notification from them that this has indeed happened. I've since put in a dispute with the credit card company and again emailed CPP asking them to cancel the order. For the life of me, I cannot understand why people would take such a hardline approach of refusing to cancel an order when the order has not yet shipped. Bad business and shame on CPP for their nonsense.
 

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Ebay has become a haven for fraudsters. Over the weekend I listened to a radio show telling how sellers are advertising items, any item that they don't themselves have, at an incredible price. Like significantly low, man, so it's attractive. You make the purchase sending the money to their account. They purchase said item from the actual supplier with someone else's stolen credit card. Item arrives to you, fraudster gets paid, supplier gets paid, but stolen card guy gets screwed.

Here's where it really gets bad: stolen credit card guy calls the bank to stop payment or claim fraud. Bank contacts supplier and demands money back. Either full amount or partial amount gets return to the bank, supplier and/or bank are out money, and rather than take the time to trace the transaction, the supplier or bank write it up to a fraud loss--and pass the cost on to all consumers over time.

Anyone up for going to the swap meet this Saturday now?
 

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Ebay has become a haven for fraudsters. Over the weekend I listened to a radio show telling how sellers are advertising items, any item that they don't themselves have, at an incredible price. Like significantly low, man, so it's attractive. You make the purchase sending the money to their account. They purchase said item from the actual supplier with someone else's stolen credit card. Item arrives to you, fraudster gets paid, supplier gets paid, but stolen card guy gets screwed.

Here's where it really gets bad: stolen credit card guy calls the bank to stop payment or claim fraud. Bank contacts supplier and demands money back. Either full amount or partial amount gets return to the bank, supplier and/or bank are out money, and rather than take the time to trace the transaction, the supplier or bank write it up to a fraud loss--and pass the cost on to all consumers over time.

Anyone up for going to the swap meet this Saturday now?
heard this exact story Saturday while heading to the local dragstrip. we thought it was pretty crazy how there are segments of "specialists" among the credit card number scamming, and how these cc scammers have conventions--pretty nuts.

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Ebay has become a haven for fraudsters.
I have been a buyer/seller on eBay since it began long ago and have dealt with this exact issue. It is imperative for all parties to carefully vet out and research the individuals you purchase from. I have made the mistake of making a single purchase from someone doing this exact thing and found right after I made the purchase, the seller was no longer a registered user of eBay... I did get my part (small battery so only $3.00 USD) however, this really irked me and I vowed to never be duped again...

Fingers crossed it never happens and eBay does something about it. The eBay, etsy and amazon (and others not mentioned) forums are just as guilty as the people perpetrating these crimes (fraud and identity theft, possibly embezzlement too) for allowing this crap to continue. There needs to be some mechanism of a seller proving themselves to be legitimate... it's getting insane out there!!

Caveat Emptor!!
 

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the only way ebay and amazon are not going to wipe everyone else out is for people to continue to order from Summit, jegs, classic, CBR, etc, etc

stop using places like ebay then complain about how they work....or at least how they allow suppliers to work

I am a Canadian citizen living and working in the US, I go out of my way to buy from the smaller places where profits are going to the guys and gals going to local stores, restaurants etc and supply made in USA parts

I buy stuff that gets ebay and amazon a cut as little as possible

I'll at times search amazon and ebay to see whats available then buy through the supplier's website that I want to deal with to maximize how much the reputable supplier gets and minimize how much ebay and amazon get to skim off the top

on that note I will not use doordash, uber eats etc, I will call the restaurant I want to give my money to and order direct for pickup
I do not want to trade slight convenience of an app for having a big corp skim off the top of the smaller places

rant over....back to regular scheduled program
 

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Update: Sent another email this morning as a "friendly" reminder to cancel my order. Received an email back around 1300 stating that the order had been shipped. As I was crafting a response, I received a call from CPP stating that the order had indeed shipped and that I could return them directly to Viking. I just received another email with shipping info. Stay tuned. This has already been reported to my credit card company due to the nonsense. Gentleman on the phone seemed friendly enough and tried to explain the shipping estimates.
 

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Ebay has become a haven for fraudsters. Over the weekend I listened to a radio show telling how sellers are advertising items, any item that they don't themselves have, at an incredible price. Like significantly low, man, so it's attractive. You make the purchase sending the money to their account. They purchase said item from the actual supplier with someone else's stolen credit card. Item arrives to you, fraudster gets paid, supplier gets paid, but stolen card guy gets screwed.

Here's where it really gets bad: stolen credit card guy calls the bank to stop payment or claim fraud. Bank contacts supplier and demands money back. Either full amount or partial amount gets return to the bank, supplier and/or bank are out money, and rather than take the time to trace the transaction, the supplier or bank write it up to a fraud loss--and pass the cost on to all consumers over time.

Anyone up for going to the swap meet this Saturday now?
I recently watched a movie called "Emily the Criminal" which was essentially about credit card fraud and fencing stolen merchandise....there must be so much fraud going on it just makes me sick.
As a side issue concerning fraud, how many '69 Firebirds have been 'converted' to look like Camaros and sold as such?
I remember looking at one '69 Camaro and it was so obvious that the trim/cowl tag was fake.
And then there are all those cars being sold with "bill of sale only" and "barn find" with no titles and no clue who actually is/was the legal owner.
 

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Unfortunately as the collective wallet gets lighter and lighter, folks that would normally have no problem (myself included) paying a bit more for a higher quality part are seeking alternatives. Some folks get stuck in that "too good to be true" trap that we so commonly see on social media and other places. The plain truth is - if it looks to good to be true, it probably is.
 
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