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Agreed, and also having front suspension that works with the rear and vice versa, front and rear can work in perfect harmony together or against each other.

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I couldn't agree more. I feel that way about the entire car, if you are building an old car for performance most of the components need to be changed out, chassis stiffeners added, BIGGER disc brakes swapped in, close ratio steering box or rack and pinion, components to change to todays steering geometry...ect It's a total package. There are too many cars built around Paint and HP without addressing how that HP affects the rest of the car. I had a guy talking smack at a cruise night that I have big brakes and a 4.8, he was running a 2nd gen Camaro with a 383 stroker with stock disc/drum, no subframe connectors and stock suspension with rear air shocks pumped to the max. His paint and body work was POPPIN though.... I kept my mouth shut and didn't mention the 6 liter sitting in my shop. BTW, I drove many mildly built SBC 5.7's that didn't perform like my little stock 4.8 with some tuning. On a strip that guy would roast me, on a road course, not so much.... I'm not Dominic Torreto, I like driving for more than 10 seconds or less, if it never does a wheelie, I'm ok with that too. :oops:
 

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I couldn't agree more. I feel that way about the entire car, if you are building an old car for performance most of the components need to be changed out, chassis stiffeners added, BIGGER disc brakes swapped in, close ratio steering box or rack and pinion, components to change to todays steering geometry...ect It's a total package. There are too many cars built around Paint and HP without addressing how that HP affects the rest of the car. I had a guy talking smack at a cruise night that I have big brakes and a 4.8, he was running a 2nd gen Camaro with a 383 stroker with stock disc/drum, no subframe connectors and stock suspension with rear air shocks pumped to the max. His paint and body work was POPPIN though.... I kept my mouth shut and didn't mention the 6 liter sitting in my shop. BTW, I drove many mildly built SBC 5.7's that didn't perform like my little stock 4.8 with some tuning. On a strip that guy would roast me, on a road course, not so much.... I'm not Dominic Torreto, I like driving for more than 10 seconds or less, if it never does a wheelie, I'm ok with that too. :oops:
You just named off alot of my "still need to buy" list

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Not shaming....just pointing out hypocrisy in a conversation!!! Hahahaha
I have a feeling you have one hell of a list of quality parts. I did what I could on a budget. I’m not building a race car, just a good performing cruiser.


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Not shaming....just pointing out hypocrisy in a conversation!!! Hahahaha
I have a feeling you have one hell of a list of quality parts. I did what I could on a budget. I’m not building a race car, just a good performing cruiser.


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O your doing a great job man and are doing things right imo. Respect all the fab work it's all came out awesome

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Not shaming....just pointing out hypocrisy in a conversation!!! Hahahaha
I have a feeling you have one hell of a list of quality parts. I did what I could on a budget. I’m not building a race car, just a good performing cruiser.


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And yes you're right, I have a hell of a list lol

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O your doing a great job man and are doing things right imo. Respect all the fab work it's all came out awesome

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Always appreciated. This is the first car I’ve built from a shell and my fab experience comes from the HD truck world. I spent time building custom heavy duty wreckers, tractors, low bed ramps for tractors and related parts, not sheet metal! I’m actually starting to really dig working with sheet metal, it takes much more patience but it’s pretty fun. I’m building a console for a crew cab f-650 on military axles with 4 wheel steer and totally custom air bag suspension on 54 inch tires. The customer plans to make it a 6 door with rear ac hidden in the console so it’s a pretty big console. A friend of mine built it at his shop and when he saw the dash in the nova he offered me the gig, I was honored as his shop builds some pretty awesome stuff. The more stuff I build with sheet metal the more I’m willing to take on more mods with the nova. The issue is now I’m looking at more equipment like shrinkers, stretchers, planishing hammers and English wheel$$. It never end$$$. Oh yeah and a proper sheet metal break. I have a 3 in 1 from Woodward which is nice but has its limits. When I grow up I’m hoping to have a home shop building like yours!!! It’s amazing.


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Much respect for all of you that do fabrication and sheet metal work!!! That is one of the many things that is still somewhat foreign to me... but I try to learn what I can from reading informative posts from the gifted individuals on this and other forums.

74lsnova, I think is great that you are able to pick up some side work using your skills and interests.
 

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Always appreciated. This is the first car I’ve built from a shell and my fab experience comes from the HD truck world. I spent time building custom heavy duty wreckers, tractors, low bed ramps for tractors and related parts, not sheet metal! I’m actually starting to really dig working with sheet metal, it takes much more patience but it’s pretty fun. I’m building a console for a crew cab f-650 on military axles with 4 wheel steer and totally custom air bag suspension on 54 inch tires. The customer plans to make it a 6 door with rear ac hidden in the console so it’s a pretty big console. A friend of mine built it at his shop and when he saw the dash in the nova he offered me the gig, I was honored as his shop builds some pretty awesome stuff. The more stuff I build with sheet metal the more I’m willing to take on more mods with the nova. The issue is now I’m looking at more equipment like shrinkers, stretchers, planishing hammers and English wheel$$. It never end$$$. Oh yeah and a proper sheet metal break. I have a 3 in 1 from Woodward which is nice but has its limits. When I grow up I’m hoping to have a home shop building like yours!!! It’s amazing.


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That sounds like a crazy cool truck!

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That sounds like a crazy cool truck!

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It’s pretty cool for sure. I’ll take a few pics on Saturday when I’m mounting the console in. It’s been pretty challenging building the console without having the truck at my shop. I have the main part of it built and we we see Saturday if I took good measurements!! Once the console is mounted in and ready to be painted or covered I need to wire in the transfer case controls, rear steer joystick and actuators, interior and exterior lighting.


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Much respect for all of you that do fabrication and sheet metal work!!! That is one of the many things that is still somewhat foreign to me... but I try to learn what I can from reading informative posts from the gifted individuals on this and other forums.

74lsnova, I think is great that you are able to pick up some side work using your skills and interests.
Thanks RifRaf! I really appreciated it as I enjoy doing it a lot. I play the corporate game Monday through Friday running a diesel shop and parts store and this is my outlet to be creative. So much more to learn working with sheet metal. I’d like to get enough side jobs to go off on my own. It’s always been the dream but it’s hard walking away from a salary. Lol.

If one man can do it, you can do it. Start with small little projects like brackets, braces and panels and go from there. It’s amazing how you can get a feeling of accomplishment and a confidence boost by making a super simple bracket to hold a fan shroud or trans cooler neatly. I get a lot of tips watching some of the custom car shows on tv, Instagram and some of the amazing builders on sites like this, as well. We should all be sharing what we do with pride and learning from each other. All of us bring something different to the table!!


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Gosh I had to step away from the site to do some work for a few hours and this thread blew up..! Seems like we have a really good discussion going on here.. I’m trying to build out my chassis to fit my car with very little modifications to the existing floor pan. I’m trying to working out the front suspension right now. I’m using 4th gen F body components control arms, spindles, and brakes. If I leave it full width it’s 65.5” at the wheel mounting surfaces.. This puts the wheels outside my body work even with high offset ZR1 style wheels it’s at 72”.. My target width is needs to be 58” at the wheel mounting surfaces.. I need to mock up a subframe to hang the front suspension off of to see how I feel about it..
 

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Gosh I had to step away from the site to do some work for a few hours and this thread blew up..! Seems like we have a really good discussion going on here.. I’m trying to build out my chassis to fit my car with very little modifications to the existing floor pan. I’m trying to working out the front suspension right now. I’m using 4th gen F body components control arms, spindles, and brakes. If I leave it full width it’s 65.5” at the wheel mounting surfaces.. This puts the wheels outside my body work even with high offset ZR1 style wheels it’s at 72”.. My target width is needs to be 58” at the wheel mounting surfaces.. I need to mock up a subframe to hang the front suspension off of to see how I feel about it..
Damn, i like ambitious projects like that?
What will you be making the subframe out of? Are you going to be posting some pics or already have?
Can’t wait to see it.


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I have pics..

Ideally, I want to bring the lower control arms out in front of the main chassis and have them mounted at about the same elevation as the main section. It should sit reasonably low becaus of the way the control arms and spindles are configured.. A lot of decisions are dependent on how the front end works out. I could leave it full Camaro track width and let the low wide stance be but I would like to maintain a more traditional body appearance. Going full width would allow me to use the F body rack and sway bar but would look a bit more radical.. I’ve got 18.25” from the wheel mounting surface to the lower control arm pivot times that by 2 and I have 36.5” from the control arms out to you the rotors.. My lower front subframe pivots would need to be at 21.5” to give me a 58” spread to the wheel mounting surfaces.. This keeps my wheels tucked under the body work. The rear suspension setup will be a torque arm either the factory F body or a TCI..

The last pics are to give an idea of the stance. The Nova has the perfect tucked wheels and desired stance. The Mustang has a wide track width and looks good too but I’m not sure if I will like that on a Nova that conceals the top of the rear wheels..
 

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I have pics..

Ideally, I want to bring the lower control arms out in front of the main chassis and have them mounted at about the same elevation as the main section. It should sit reasonably low becaus of the way the control arms and spindles are configured.. A lot of decisions are dependent on how the front end works out. I could leave it full Camaro track width and let the low wide stance be but I would like to maintain a more traditional body appearance. Going full width would allow me to use the F body rack and sway bar but would look a bit more radical.. I’ve got 18.25” from the wheel mounting surface to the lower control arm pivot times that by 2 and I have 36.5” from the control arms out to you the rotors.. My lower front subframe pivots would need to be at 21.5” to give me a 58” spread to the wheel mounting surfaces.. This keeps my wheels tucked under the body work. The rear suspension setup will be a torque arm either the factory F body or a TCI..

The last pics are to give an idea of the stance. The Nova has the perfect tucked wheels and desired stance. The Mustang has a wide track width and looks good too but I’m not sure if I will like that on a Nova that conceals the top of the rear wheels..
Man, you got some cool stuff going on over there!! Keep sharing brother.


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Any commute in your hand built hot rod is a good commute!! Happy Friday!!


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Have fun at the game brother!! We are heading to talking stick casino for king crab buffet!! Haha


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Dang that cluster is looking good!
Hecks yes happy friday, winterhawks tickets for tonight (Oregon hockey team.)

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If I can’t get you to come to the dark side on the exterior.... maybe I can get you to convert that dash over.... don’t be scared....

Sorry brother, I can’t leave anything alone. Hahaha


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If I can’t get you to come to the dark side on the exterior.... maybe I can get you to convert that dash over.... don’t be scared....

Sorry brother, I can’t leave anything alone. Hahaha


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Lol! Alright I got a good laugh with that one
Interior is up in the air still, I will say your center console situation has called to me a few times lol I've saved pictures of that bad boy on my phone for future reference

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