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i know this has been covered before, and i've looked up a lot of info on the search function, but which brand has the best clearence in a full length application?

i'm going to run either the 1 5/8 or the 1 3/4, i have a mini starter and wanted to run the 168 tooth flywheel and it has manual steering and a non stock shifter so linkage is not a problem, also i was concerned about ground clearance as my car has a 2'' lowering spindles, any pics would be great..

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I've found Heddman Elite headers are not true "full length" headers. Hooker Super Comps work well with angle plugs, aftermarket steering systems and actually get the collector under the car. I recently learned this when I ordered Hooker Elite and they did not work with angle plugs and they were short. I also learned that Doug's Headers did work with angle plugs but didnt work with my manual steering rack setup and they were still a middle length header. Super Comps are 31" long while the others, although they claim to be a "full length" really are not. Super Comps all the way in my opinion.
 

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thanks for the pics but i will have angle plug heads and i wanted to try and go woth a full length header, i've heard good things about the hooker super comps but have not seem any pictures, and they make two versions, 1 with 1 5/8 tubes and the other with h 1 3/4 tubes but the headers are not the same as far as tube lay out. does anyone have pics of those headers or does one work better than the other?

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thanks lugnut79, those are the 1 3/4 tubed ones, how is the under chassis clearence?

good to hear these work well though.....

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You shouldn't have to search. Best of Powertrain archive has the 1st gen header Q&A.
I think Mike Goble, who used to be a mod here and crew cheif on the durango Duece found modifying over the counter headers was the best option if you want true tuned headers.
 

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NOVA404 has those headers on his car. He has all front steering modified. He sent me pics a while back those hooker headers fit nice. I can't remember if he has angle plug heads or not. It looked to me there is plenty of room for the plugs. If your engine is a mild street piece then get the 1 5/8" I'm sure you can find a good full length header like flowtech or dynatech or maybe the hooker comp. If you got something more then use the hooker super comps.
 

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i just used summit brand headers, fit great for me and there cheaper, about 100 bucks i belive last time i looked i had them jet hotted awhile back other then that work great. they are shorter then most and extremely loud:devil: as for ground clearance lowered or not my oil pan sticks down farther then those headers do , so you should be ok.
 

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thanks lugnut79, those are the 1 3/4 tubed ones, how is the under chassis clearence?

good to hear these work well though.....

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They tuck up nice and tight. I probably have 1" or so between the floor and collector. You cant see my exhaust unless you bend over a bit and take a gander under the car.
 

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thanks all for the replies, i'm more than likely going to go with the hooker super comps, whether it's the 1 5/8 or the 1 3/4, does anyone have pics of these under the car in relationship the the frame?

and why are the tubes different on the pass. side between the 1 5/8 and the 1 3/4 hooker headers? looks like the 1 3/4 have the same bends side to side and the 1 5/8 are different side to side....

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I just found out the HARD way that the 1 5/8 super comps DO NOT fit with Dart pro1 angle plug heads!:(
 

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thanks all for the replies, i'm more than likely going to go with the hooker super comps, whether it's the 1 5/8 or the 1 3/4, does anyone have pics of these under the car in relationship the the frame?

and why are the tubes different on the pass. side between the 1 5/8 and the 1 3/4 hooker headers? looks like the 1 3/4 have the same bends side to side and the 1 5/8 are different side to side....

jon

The 1-5/8 headers will be used for the manual trans applications so the driver side is a touch different. I like the 1-3/4 they fit the best and offer the most clearance for the rack conversion.

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This phot shows the ground clearance with stock front coils.

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thank you chuck for those pics, those were perfect, looks like it is the 1 3/4 hooker super comps.

chuck if it's not too much trouble could you get some under car shots of the starter side as well? what size flywheel is he using?

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I will sell you my 1 5/8 supercomps for 325 shipped. They are new, never even had exhuast put thru them.
 

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Wow! The 2243 (1-3/4") ones fit my angle plug Pro 1's great, odd that the *smaller* tube ones didn't...I would have guessed the other way around.
It has to do with the #1 cyl. primary tube. The way it is routed on the 1 5/8 causes it to pass just under the #3 cyl.:mad:
 

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thank you chuck for those pics, those were perfect, looks like it is the 1 3/4 hooker super comps.

chuck if it's not too much trouble could you get some under car shots of the starter side as well? what size flywheel is he using?

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I will see what we can do for the under carriage photo. He is using the 168 tooth fly wheel. Currently he is using the mini starter, when I was using these headers I had the full size starter on #46-4795 from Napa.
 

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thanks chuck, would like to see if i will have to move the fuel and brake lines that pass on that side......

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