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Morning everyone. A few questions on 17” wheel fitment. Love the look of them, looking to understand the benefits of them in case I make a change to them.

I recently saw Church Boys listed a set of American Racing Salt Flats 17x7 rims for sale and it got me thinking.... My wife says that usually cost $$ :)

Current setup: 63 SS with 15” wheels, running 235/60 on rear and 195/60 on front.
  1. Beside the look of the wheel/tire in the wheel well is there any benefit to a 17"?
  2. I assume a 17" has a larger inside diameter, does this allow the wheel to tuck in more?
  3. Is a 17" beneficial in clearing the front brakes, control arms, steering linkage?
  4. While running a 17” rim are you using tires that are the same height as a 15” (if I stood the mounted tires next to each other would they match up)?
  5. Assuming stock spring locations in a non mini tub car and stock suspension up front (except for zero offset disc brakes) what are the biggest size rims/tires you guys are running?
Appreciate your help.

Thanks.

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Your car looks really sharp great stance. I have 17 x 7 on my car . The tires have less sidewall height.
Thanks Brooksey. Same to you, love the stance and look of your car.

On your front end, when that wheel is turned hard L or R, does that wheel hit the fender lip?
No it doesnt I put some washers between the fender and the front brace. Also I do not have the zero offset breakes. I have the big brakes.
Brooksey:

do you mind sharing rim and tire sizes?
Stock rear end setup?
Yes, you would want to match the height of the tire between what you're running now and the new tires, if you're trying to keep what you have now.

The new tires will have a lower profile side wall, allowing for less tire roll. But I don't encourage trying to corner in these cars, so maybe not much of a benefit there 😉

Larger diameter wheels will absolutely give you more clearance for a bigger break setup but not all rims are created equal so be sure to take measurements of both before you commit.

Also, offset is important for any thing else that can interfere, like suspension or inner/outer fenders.

When it comes to going with a larger diameter wheel, I'd say 17x7 with a 4.75 backspace is probably the most common setup for these cars. And this is mostly speaking to the second gens. I think the first gens may be a little stingier...

Good luck
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22545r17 back
21545r17 front
4.75 backspace
Cbr uppers lowers and rack and pinion front end w sway bar
Stock rearend from a 65 with cbr 4 link and big brakes on rear from cbr
Morning everyone. A few questions on 17” wheel fitment. Love the look of them, looking to understand the benefits of them in case I make a change to them.

I recently saw Church Boys listed a set of American Racing Salt Flats 17x7 rims for sale and it got me thinking.... My wife says that usually cost $$ :)

Current setup: 63 SS with 15” wheels, running 235/60 on rear and 195/60 on front.
  1. Beside the look of the wheel/tire in the wheel well is there any benefit to a 17"?
  2. I assume a 17" has a larger inside diameter, does this allow the wheel to tuck in more?
  3. Is a 17" beneficial in clearing the front brakes, control arms, steering linkage?
  4. While running a 17” rim are you using tires that are the same height as a 15” (if I stood the mounted tires next to each other would they match up)?
  5. Assuming stock spring locations in a non mini tub car and stock suspension up front (except for zero offset disc brakes) what are the biggest size rims/tires you guys are running?
Appreciate your help.

Thanks.

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The wheels will very much fit stock and will get you a few benefits, besides a fresh look -

Future upgrade compatability for brakes, suspension and steering upgrades.

They will give you many more options for a modern tire compound that will 100% have more grip, better wet traction and overall performance. This cannot be overstated.

On Churches website/ social media post he mentioned the tire sizes that would accompany these wheels. You can check the overall height and compare against yours to see where, if any, changes may be. Example - if the rear tire on your setup now is taller than the recommended, then you may want to adjust so you get the same rake.
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If you're going to go to bigger diameter wheels, other positives for the 17's is there are a lot of options available for that size. And, there's still enough sidewall on the tires that they aren't as rough riding as the larger ones.
JMTCW

*Sweet car btw
If you're going to go to bigger diameter wheels, other positives for the 17's is there are a lot of options available for that size. And, there's still enough sidewall on the tires that they aren't as rough riding as the larger ones.
JMTCW

*Sweet car btw
Not to highjack thread but I have the same size tires that Brooksey listed in his response on my 67. They are Hankook (tires on the rims when bought). They are pretty rough. Is there another brand that might be softer?
  1. Beside the look of the wheel/tire in the wheel well is there any benefit to a 17"?
  2. I assume a 17" has a larger inside diameter, does this allow the wheel to tuck in more?
  3. Is a 17" beneficial in clearing the front brakes, control arms, steering linkage?
  4. While running a 17” rim are you using tires that are the same height as a 15” (if I stood the mounted tires next to each other would they match up)?
  5. Assuming stock spring locations in a non mini tub car and stock suspension up front (except for zero offset disc brakes) what are the biggest size rims/tires you guys are running
1. The main performance benefit of 17" wheels over 15" wheels is the availability of many choices in modern tires and tire compounds. This is diminishing somewhat as 18"+ wheels are taking over, but still the tire selection for 17" offers many performance benefits if you are doing autocross or track. On the street they will improve braking and steering performance too due to added traction; this will usually not be noticeable, but will make a difference in an emergency braking or steering maneuver. On the other hand, if you are drag racing, there are better tires on 15" wheels for that application. Also, compared to 15s, 17s will often have an increase in noise and ride harshness due to the shorter tire sidewall. With 17" wheels, the lower profile tires will have a small improvement in gas mileage over the energy-sapping taller sidewalls on 15s.
2. I don't know the early Novas well enough to comment on that application specifically, but larger diameter wheels can sometimes allow a wider wheel where the smaller diameter wheel would interfere with steering linkage, shocks or other items.
3. Larger wheels can fit larger brake rotors, which are better at dealing with heat than smaller rotors. This is not so much an issue for street driving, but becomes important if you autocross or, especially if you track the car.
4. Typically the overall diameter shouldn't be too different whether you are running 15s or 17s. Rear tire diameter will affect gearing.
5. My info would not be useful for your early Nova, so I will not comment.
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Not to highjack thread but I have the same size tires that Brooksey listed in his response on my 67. They are Hankook (tires on the rims when bought). They are pretty rough. Is there another brand that might be softer?
You might want to try some other tires. We’ve been running a set of Dunlop tires on our WRX in a handful of autocross events and went to a new set of Michelin Pilot Sport All Season tires. The ride and handling characteristics are significantly better from the Dunlops. We’ve run them both at the same pressure and the Michelins are smother running and hold better in the corners..

Tire size is the same for both sets.
235/45/17 on 17x7 wheels.

You might want to check your tire pressures. Be sure you actually have an accurate tire gage. I’ve found that tire pressure readings can be off quite a bit from different types of gages. If your tire pressures are too high this can make the tires ride quality very harsh.
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take a look at this web site
Tire Size Comparison

you can look at different sizes and will show you all the differences. you can also add your rim offset to see where they land on the edges.
when you compare to the original size it will also tell you how much it will affect the spedo
Not to highjack thread but I have the same size tires that Brooksey listed in his response on my 67. They are Hankook (tires on the rims when bought). They are pretty rough. Is there another brand that might be softer?
Softer ride? Or softer compound?
I'm guessing you meant ride. My answer is the same; dunno. Lol
This is my first forey into running 17's. Last time I'd driven my car, a few years ago, it was on 15's with a worn out stock suspension. If I'd only change tire/wheel configuration, I could probably give you a little more accurate feedback. But... I switched to a full CBR tri-4 rear, CBR rack front, and tied the subs.
I have Nitto 555RII's on the back, and 555 G2's on the front. While it definitely rides more stiff than before, I wouldn't really call it stiff or rigid.
*I'm just happy that it doesn't drive like a wet mattress, like it did before. Lol
Nova Thug - Thanks. GRIZBYII - Softer ride.
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