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Old 11th-February-2010, 09:52 AM   #1
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sb2.2

i was looking at a couple different engine options for another engine and was wondering what all is involved in a sb2.2 engines, is it just a set of heads or is it also a special block. can you use a 350/400 based block, i like high rpm and high hp small block engines and seen a camaro with one in it and he was leaving the line at 8000 rpms, mine only turns 8200 max, so i was looking at what all is involved besides heads and intake,
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I'm not sure exactly what experience you have or engine building/specing skills. SB2.2 is a pretty finicky setup and in my opinion an all out effort deal. They take a completely different top end, but I believe you can use an OEM style block...but I wouldn't use a stock 350/400 block at the horsepower levels that an sb2.2 motor will make. They are very capable of 850-plus easily but they need to spin like you said 8200+. In order to work correctly you are looking at a 7000+ stall converter and an 800+ lift cam. Pretty serious can of worms in my opinion. Not something for a street strip car.
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ive had several engines befor big blocks, small blocks, v6s, and im kimda looking at somthing different, ive read a lil about thies engines but not a lot, i know about the high stall, big 800+ lift cam, and of course not a stock block, looking at about 1000-1100hp on spray, but im just looking for some info good info on building one, any owners please input
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call my buddy

he did this one

http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums...&highlight=SB2

Hawks Racing Engines , Princeton Wv , 304 425 7543

this motor in this thread was for sale, , don't know if it is now or not ,, I haven't talked to him for a while

it ran 139 mph at Natural Bridge , spinning on 10.5's about all the way through i think with a 300 shot , it hit 969 hp at 9300 N/A and was still increasing , but he didn't want to turn his dyno any higher ,,,, it has a nitrous cam with very big numbers , it doesn't like to load on the dyno below 5-6000 i think is what he told me ,, I'd say with a N/A cam ,, it would be a different story ,, Its a 396 sb , 4.1## bore with a 3.625 stroke

they can be set up for street strip , the one in the video below made 675 hp on pump fuel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0jnkp9b8bM

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Old 11th-February-2010, 06:10 PM   #5
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after posting today i found a company that does nothing but sb2.2 engines, M&M competition engines, talked with them for about 30 min and i like the set up and the power, i was looking to put together a 434 bottom end with forged internals and flat top pistons and he said that 800 hp would be real easy to get with no tune and said that with a "small" 300 shot would be a great engine. it would turn about 85-9000 rpms with ease. and price for a stage two is about $5600.(heads, intake, rockers, gaskets, arp bolts,etc.). But for the hp and everything i think it will be a great engine
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One of the best sources is Automotive Specialist. Concord NC
AKA: Keith Dorton, Yes of the Holley Fame!
http://www.automotivespecialists.com/

They build and maintain a wide range of SB2 stuff. they purchased 85% of all Hendrick SB2 engines when the new RO7 was introduced.

They have a tremendous amount of used parts and complete engine.

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Old 11th-February-2010, 10:54 PM   #7
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ill give them a call tomorrow, i looked on their website and didnt see any prices so i figure they are in the $15-20,000 range but im taking in all info i can get right now
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Old 12th-February-2010, 02:14 AM   #8
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Give Jeff or "Slick Rick" a call here:
http://naiser-racing.com/
Jeff built and campaigned one of the quickest and fastest nitrous small blocks in Outlaw 10.5 trim in the world (and arguably THE quickest and fastest)..
He has since went big-block but he no doubt knows his stuff when it comes to the SB2.2!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR8Tq...aynext_from=PL
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Old 12th-February-2010, 07:53 AM   #9
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I have a question:

which is capable of more power, sb2.2 or lsx c5r rance engine?

which is lighter? less expensive? etc
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if i wanted

a pump gas SB2 motor ,, 434 ,,, i'd get a tall deck block ,, the chambers on the SB2 heads are small , 42cc

there isn't much room for a dish piston even in that 3.625 stroke engine with a 5.85 rod that my buddy did that i listed the thread on,, using a 9.0 deck block ,, they tried to get rid of some compression to try more nitrous ,, he was constrained what the owner would let him do ,, i even thought it might do better as a 377 ,, it had over 14-1 with as much of a dish that J & E could put in the piston to keep out of the rings , and the valve reliefs are also very close

I don't see how you could build a SB2 engine for the numbers you listed , everything for them is over the top money

I saw a few SB2 engines on racing junk that had dyno only time that were never raced for 12,000, complete oil system without the carb.
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One of the best sources is Automotive Specialist. Concord NC
AKA: Keith Dorton, Yes of the Holley Fame!
http://www.automotivespecialists.com/

They build and maintain a wide range of SB2 stuff. they purchased 85% of all Hendrick SB2 engines when the new RO7 was introduced.

They have a tremendous amount of used parts and complete engine.

FYI

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Hey those engines look like they have Delphi Motorsports wires on them. Those would have been made right here in Warren Ohio! Good Stuff.

I have a coworker who is knowledged in the SB2 arena with one for sale, I'll go look him up.
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Ok here is the information:

410 cubic inch
Rocket Block
60mm cam
Crower non twist crank, 4340
Crower steel billet rods
Professionaly ported SB2.2 heads by Darin Morgan
Sheet metal intake, single four barrel
Peak RPM 9500
Peak HP 940 @ 8800 rpm on race gas (naturally aspirated)
---Has won 4 out of the last 5 years 1st place, Lucas Oil Super Stock 4X4 points championships----

Engine is currenty for Sale if interested here is his contact information:

724-699-1298 ask for Luke.
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thanks ill try and give him a call when i get a chance
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here is

that engine i posted about

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/9...6-NOS-SBC.html

if they would've got the chassis worked out ,, or put it in a better car ,, its hard to tell how good it would have ran ,, it has the best of everything in it ,, except car to run it in

i'd dare to say they've spent close to 40 k on it
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after posting today i found a company that does nothing but sb2.2 engines, M&M competition engines, talked with them for about 30 min and i like the set up and the power, i was looking to put together a 434 bottom end with forged internals and flat top pistons and he said that 800 hp would be real easy to get with no tune and said that with a "small" 300 shot would be a great engine. it would turn about 85-9000 rpms with ease. and price for a stage two is about $5600.(heads, intake, rockers, gaskets, arp bolts,etc.). But for the hp and everything i think it will be a great engine
Good call. Scott and Tim are first class guys. They will take care of you. I have been dealing with them for about 4 years or so now. I have been running a nitrous SB2.2 motor for about 5 or 6 years now. Take a look around my web site www.marschanmotorsports.com for information about our motor and who we deal with. One thing that worked wonders for me was going to a fogger and not a plate deal. I burnt it up a couple of times with the plate before I had Gene Fulton do a single and then added a second kit for me. Right now I am running a cast tunnel ram from M&M with a single split dominator carb from Quick Fuel Technology. It is super crisp. I run a 9" converter right now that flashes to 5300 RPM off the trans brake and I shift at 7400 and run through the traps at about 8300. I had a bad year last year with electrical and oil issues and actually went faster the year before but I know it should have gone faster last season. We have been 8.34 at around 164 at 3350lbs on drag radials.
The combo was a Dart Little M block with a 9.010 deck, 6" Oliver rods, Callies 3.875 stroke, 421 ci., and a 38cc chamber with a -10cc dish piston with 1.050 compression height. The ring package was tight but haven't had any problems with careful tuning. I was also running Crower offset lifters to line up the Smith Brother's pushrods. This year we are going to an aluminum Brodix block with aluminum 5.850 rods to get a better ring package and lighten up for 275 radial racing.
Tell Scott at M&M, Marc Schankweiler, sent a recomendation. Let me know if you have any more questions. They are different and they do run well. You will need some different headers too but that's minimal.
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