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Old 10th-February-2009, 04:46 PM   #1
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I am just starting my reseach on what Nova would have the best weight break in Stock Classes. I have ordered the NHRA Rule book but what better place to ask the question than Steve's. We all know Grumpy ran mid elevens and did it with a light 66 and 430 hp from a 331 sbc in A/S. Would there be a better weight to cubic inch in the 3rd generation?? I am open to any suggestion and this is something I am going to pursue.
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Old 10th-February-2009, 07:33 PM   #2
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Eddie,
Go over to www.classracer.com and find a turn-key Nova Stocker.

Trust Me on this, been there, done this.

Unless you have a ton of money to spend on numerous engines, torque convertors, trick-transmissions, gun-drilled, ultra light rear ends, etc, etc ... renting tracks to flog the living crap out of the car......then by all means,start from scratch.

I loved Stock Class racing, ....in fact, I love the challenge of making a stock combination run good and still do. But there are SO many secrets involved today..... let me tell you, it will cost you $10K+ for a fast and competitive engine.
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Old 10th-February-2009, 09:46 PM   #3
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this is something I am going to pursue
Did you suddenly come into an enormous windfall of cash?
You would stand a better chance of making money in Top Fuel! I know a few guys that tried it...at least you get a few bucks back.
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Old 11th-February-2009, 09:53 AM   #4
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Thanks for the website and Mike, Top Fuel? I think the challenge would be interesting and the technology that is a moving target would keep the mind active. I admire people like Gordie Rivera, he owns a small shop in Yuma and runs Pro Stock, he doesn't always qualify and his gear may be dated but I see him with a grin on his face when races because of the love of the sport. A high school friend of mine has an F/S Ford Fairlane and has been competitive in Division 7 for years. He is a retired Ford Tech and owns a small repair shop in Kingman, AZ. I believe allot of this is about thinking outside the box and doing your homework. Lots of money is great if you let someone else do your work. 10K in a motor that is easy, the motor in my current car would have easily surpassed that if I hadn't built it myself.

It is the challenge ! As my wife says, “Don’t dare him, it just encourages him” I guess it is my Marine training?
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Old 11th-February-2009, 10:26 AM   #5
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Eddie,
It sounds like your mind is set to go

If your looking for someone to do the engine, or any part of it, like the cylinder heads,etc. Call Jeff Stealy @ Stealy Racing Engines, or Parsons & Meyers Racing Engines. A properly prepared set of 'cheater' heads are a must to compete.

When it comes to a 3 speed trans, call Scott McClay Engineering

As to the rearend, just call Strange Engineering and get the entire unit with all of the gun drilled axles and flanges, lightened ring and pinion and spool.

QA1 'Stocker-Stars' shocks work great, and Calvert bars for the rear.

Bogart Wheels make flyweight wheels, I have them on my Chevy II wagon.
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Old 11th-February-2009, 11:14 AM   #6
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Give Leo Glassbrenner a call, he builds a lot of stock eliminator transmissions (mine too) He also races in the category. He makes a few bucks just doing the division 7 races--but makes more building transmissions! (909) 592-1006
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I would like to go back to my original question: Would there be a better weight to cubic inch in the 3rd generation?? I am open to any suggestion and this is something I am going to pursue.
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Old 11th-February-2009, 07:17 PM   #8
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If you have any ? about Stock eliminator send me a pm. this year will be my 33 year racing in IHRA and NHRA.I dont race a Nova[Buick GS] but I know many Nova racers.Just like anything you can spend a fortune racing in stock,or you can throw a car together for a few thousand and go have some fun.Later lyn
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Eddie,
It sounds like your mind is set to go

If your looking for someone to do the engine, or any part of it, like the cylinder heads,etc. Call Jeff Stealy @ Stealy Racing Engines, or Parsons & Meyers Racing Engines. A properly prepared set of 'cheater' heads are a must to compete.

When it comes to a 3 speed trans, call Scott McClay Engineering

As to the rearend, just call Strange Engineering and get the entire unit with all of the gun drilled axles and flanges, lightened ring and pinion and spool.

QA1 'Stocker-Stars' shocks work great, and Calvert bars for the rear.

Bogart Wheels make flyweight wheels, I have them on my Chevy II wagon.


Jeff Stealy is a good guy...he knows how to make a stock elim or a Super stock car run!!
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Old 11th-February-2009, 08:27 PM   #10
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You would have to do the math and see where a combination will fall, then search for a class with a 'soft' index. Some combos don't get factored with a lot of extra power tacked on to the stock h.p. ratings.
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Here is where you need to go to ask more detailed questions with regard S & SS http://classracer.com/classforum/index.php

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Jeff Stealy is a good guy...he knows how to make a stock elim or a Super stock car run!!
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I am just starting my reseach on what Nova would have the best weight break in Stock Classes. I have ordered the NHRA Rule book but what better place to ask the question than Steve's. We all know Grumpy ran mid elevens and did it with a light 66 and 430 hp from a 331 sbc in A/S. Would there be a better weight to cubic inch in the 3rd generation?? I am open to any suggestion and this is something I am going to pursue.

Have you attended a stock class race and spent time with some stock class racers? It isn't anything like it was back in Grumpys day. You can set national records though. Few classes have more than 1 car so it becomes a bracket race with dial ins the way I see it. RM
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Old 12th-February-2009, 11:57 AM   #14
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And you get to deal with things like NHRA factoring the new Cobra Jet Mustangs at 425 h.p., while the stock version of the car makes 500. Am I missing something here? With just a pulley change they will dominate their class like Calvert did over the weekend.
This was yesterdays final round; the other car redlit, as did most of the cars Calvert ran against:



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Old 12th-February-2009, 03:48 PM   #15
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To answer your original question, yes there are better combos than the L79 that Grump ran. I've been slowly putting together a '66 hardtop for Stock for the last few years, and talking to several Nova racers along the way. Jim Schaechter and his brother have tried several combos in their 66 post, including the (L79) 350 and 275 horse versions of the 327, and the 220hp 283. The L79 is NHRA rated at 300 nowadays, but seems to struggle with the small Holley. It seems the best combo right now is the 275, rated at 274 I think. Thats what I'm going to start with. That motor with a hardtop is a natural F car, and can add weight to run G. I don't think you could get enough weight out to drop to E. (and still pass tech) As far as $10,000 engines, yes you could spend that if you wanted to, but I bought a fresh spare from another racer for a third of that. And one last thing.......use a STICK!!! 3 speed autos aren't allowed in those cars since they only came with powerglides. And autos are boring.
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