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Seems as if there are some variances in this.... As Ryan said above., his had some that had screws. The car I have now., did not have any screw-type ones., but I have had cars that did. Also- I have seen two different sizes of clips used. A larger version of clip on the top stainless., and a smaller version on the bottom pieces....
Also a version that takes the same size clips all the way around.....
Greg.... Be aware.....
Seems as if there are some variances in this.... As Ryan said above., his had some that had screws. The car I have now., did not have any screw-type ones., but I have had cars that did. Also- I have seen two different sizes of clips used. A larger version of clip on the top stainless., and a smaller version on the bottom pieces....
Also a version that takes the same size clips all the way around.....
I'll take a closer look, it could be that mine only had screws in the corner. As for the different size clips, if the molding lip snaps into the clip, that's all that matters, right? Any way we could run into trouble here?
Well...... I couldn't find anyone that carried the smaller version of the clip. I ended up buying more than enough of the "generic" style from Chevy2Only (prior link) and buzzed off a tad of the edge of those type to make them work.....(So that was/would be the alternative)
A friend's '63 SS used all the same size with no problem...... ()
No..... It was the stainless fitting the clip. The bottom stainless would not clip into the "generic" clips securely. The bottom stainless pieces on this car were evidently a fraction of an inch more narrow than the top pieces., thus causing me to have to "trim" the clips to allow the stainless to snap into them......
I seem to recall the original lower clips being the red-oxide color also., and the top clips to be black....
As far as the clip location in the window channel goes., they will press in and stay in place. Just make sure that you space them evenly around the perimeter of the window opening. You can use a couple more than required here or there., so as to hold the stainess pieces good and tight.....
Hope this all helps......
Last edited by tony; 6th-November-2009 at 12:02 PM..
Mine only have one type of clip in all locations and they pop onto the studs which are welded onto the inside edge of the channel. The clips can be put on either before or after the glass/gasket is in. Don't know why there's a difference.
I hope you get a good fit with your gasket. From my experience, the only brand that fits consistently is Steele. If you end up having trouble with the one you have, give them a try. My glass guy has stopped buying from Precision for all the classic cars he does and now only buys from Steele, too.
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Last edited by chuckha62; 6th-November-2009 at 01:47 PM..
No..... It was the stainless fitting the clip. The bottom stainless would not clip into the "generic" clips securely. The bottom stainless pieces on this car were evidently a fraction of an inch more narrow than the top pieces., thus causing me to have to "trim" the clips to allow the stainless to snap into them......
I seem to recall the original lower clips being the red-oxide color also., and the top clips to be black....
As far as the clip location in the window channel goes., they will press in and stay in place. Just make sure that you space them evenly around the perimeter of the window opening. You can use a couple more than required here or there., so as to hold the stainess pieces good and tight.....
Hope this all helps......
It helps a lot! And it will help others who come along after.
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Mine only have one type of clip in all locations and they pop onto the studs which are welded onto the inside edge of the channel. They can be put on either before or after the lass/gasket is in. Don't know why there's a difference.
My 63 coupe has no welded studs, but 'a few' sheet metal type screws, which we removed for bodywork and paint.
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Originally Posted by chuckha62
I hope you get a good fit with your gasket. From my experience, the only brand that fits consistently is Steele. If you end up having trouble with the one you have, give them a try. My glass guy has stopped buying from Precision for all the classic cars he does and now only buys from Steele, too.
Even a Steele rear gasket was a tough fit on my car, Novajoe and I tried 4 times before I was halfway confident that the glass would stay put.
I would recommend installing the gasket on the back glass and taping it inplace and then let it sit for a couple weeks or even 1 month to help it take shape.
I did not do that so now it appears my gasket is peeling away on the bottom of the window where the stainless is
Even a Steele rear gasket was a tough fit on my car, Novajoe and I tried 4 times before I was halfway confident that the glass would stay put.
I would recommend installing the gasket on the back glass and taping it inplace and then let it sit for a couple weeks or even 1 month to help it take shape.
I did not do that so now it appears my gasket is peeling away on the bottom of the window where the stainless is
Just wondering, was it loose on the bottom, or tight? I just put my gasket on the glass, and it's a tight fit on the bottom, but a little loose on top. A few strips of tape are holding it on now, but once it's in the car, it should fit perfectly. Oh yeah, was your back glass original, or aftermarket? My windshield is new, but my back glass is original.
Just wondering, was it loose on the bottom, or tight? I just put my gasket on the glass, and it's a tight fit on the bottom, but a little loose on top. A few strips of tape are holding it on now, but once it's in the car, it should fit perfectly. Oh yeah, was your back glass original, or aftermarket? My windshield is new, but my back glass is original.
It was slightly loose on top and tight on the bottom if my memory serves me, it wanted to roll inward on the bottom that is why the tape was needed, once in the car it still tries to roll inward and it never really felt like it set perfectly in the channel, but thinking back the stock one was a little like that too. It required a lot of working the gasket in place after the rope was out and I had to use a 90* awl, also know as a radiator hose loosening tool to get the gasket in some spots. Slapping the glass with your hand as you work it in helped alot.
This was also the original glass in back and new in front.
I got some original rear window molding clips from a Nova buddy of mine here in town, (thanks Ray) and I have them here to compare to the repro clips.
Also, here is a scan from the Fisher body manual, which states "In addition, where greater retention is required, screws are inserted through hole in clip and installed into back window opening rabbet." The illustration shows screws used at the bottom of each sail panel, and at the top corners. So basically, no one should be surprised if no two cars use the same combination of fasteners here.
Here is a new black clip, and an original red oxide clip, side by side. The black clips stick out a bit farther, and they are crimped tighter in back, making them harder to slip over the pinch weld.
This picture shows how the clips snap over the lip of the stainless molding, and the pinch weld.
This picture shows the 'square' clip, which is not reproduced. There are fewer of these, and I assume they are used in the corners.
Those square clips that are not repoped were used all the way across the bottom on my car. The bottom stainless trim has a slightly different attachment for some reason. The repoped ones are exactly the same as the side and top clips and will work on the bottom.
Since nobody makes a gasket that fits, has anyone tried just reusing an orginal w/ generous application of sealer? My original one does not look to terribly cracked or rotted (of course, I do not have it out yet).
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