NOGO's OFFICIAL (Yes its official) Rack and Pinion Build Thread

I am tired of compromises in our steering systems, both factory and aftermarket, so I am building my own rack and pinion kit.

My goals:
1) BOLT ON!!!!!
2) Factory or better turning radius
3) Works with stock AND standard CPP subframe kit
4) Correct ackerman angle and no bumpsteer
5) Work with standard and Chevy II rear sump oil pan
6) Smooth and linear operation
7) And best of all...as CHEAP as possible

Keep in mind these are goals and there is a chance I may fail at one or more aspects- we will see!

Tonight I tore out the POS Unisteer kit and mockup will start soon!

I finished the rack rebuild
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/rack_box.jpg

Rack under car
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/rack_under.jpg

No steering (or brakes:D)!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/RH_norack.jpg

Linkage removed
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/column_nolink.jpg

The POS Unisteer kit gone!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/unisteer_junk_out.jpg

Dang Dawg.... you git P.O.ed or what:rolleyes:

Glad to see.. I liked the correct ackerman.. Often left out...

Now If I send you my 72 when your done................

BTW

Good luck man.. some hurt knuckles a commin

Veno

Contact Chuck Church at Church Boys Racing, http://www.churchboysracing.com, he has a kit that does exactly what you are wanting to do, and it is a dang nice kit to boot.

Contact Chuck Church at Church Boys Racing, http://www.churchboysracing.com, he has a kit that does exactly what you are wanting to do, and it is a dang nice kit to boot.

I know about Chuck's kit- yes it is a nice kit but it is a bit expensive and so far you cant run a sway bar. Plus its a front steer and I am partial to rear steer systems:D.

Subscribed:D:D

Good luck man. Here's to making a great car even greater.

Soooo......

How much for the POS unisteer? If the price is right, I'll take it...PM if you would like.


T,

Boy let a guy yank a part off and the car isn't even cold yet....

man vultures!:devil:

Boy let a guy yank a part off and the car isn't even cold yet....

man vultures!:devil: Mmmuuuuhhhaaahhaahhhhhhaaaaa......:D


T,

how does the rack travel compare to what the steering arm / turning radius combination requires ?

I know about Chuck's kit- yes it is a nice kit but it is a bit expensive and so far you cant run a sway bar. Plus its a front steer and I am partial to rear steer systems:D.

I don't see any benefit to rear steer and wouldn't even consider a rear steer rack. One of my main motivators in doing Church's conversion is not being tied to the nova oiling system front sump or those notched rear sump (that hang way to low for my taste) oil pans.:eek:

how does the rack travel compare to what the steering arm / turning radius combination requires ?

There is more than enough travel. There are internal steering stops but I may have to look into external stops if there is too much movement.

I don't see any benefit to rear steer and wouldn't even consider a rear steer rack. One of my main motivators in doing Church's conversion is not being tied to the nova oiling system front sump or those notched rear sump (that hang way to low for my taste) oil pans.:eek:

My opinion is a rear steer system on our Novas is a better choice for clearance, packaging, and geometry issues that are a challenge with doing a front steer. I am designing the kit to work with a standard Chevy rear sump pan so nobody will be tied to the Nova oiling system, but it will work with a Nova rear sump should you already have one (like me:yes:).

There is more than enough travel. There are internal steering stops but I may have to look into external stops if there is too much movement.

cool deal.. that's what kills alot of rack conversions is the lack of travel....
especially with outboard pivot racks.

NOGO I just finished my Church conversion and can tell you that after the rack install it turns tighter than with my stock steering.My conflict after the CPP arms was the steering arm on the box would hit the header tube on my 1 3/4 Super Comps.I can now turn lock to lock tighter with no tire conflicts with inner fender or frame. I am running 15x4 wheels though.As for the sway bar there is one in the works,a prototype has been made and Hotchkis will be making them for Chuck.They should be available in 4-8 weeks.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/nova404/ChurchCPPswaybar.jpg

NOGO I just finished my Church conversion and can tell you that after the rack install it turns tighter than with my stock steering.My conflict after the CPP arms was the steering arm on the box would hit the header tube on my 1 3/4 Super Comps.I can now turn lock to lock tighter with no tire conflicts with inner fender or frame. I am running 15x4 wheels though.As for the sway bar there is one in the works,a prototype has been made and Hotchkis will be making them for Chuck.They should be available in 4-8 weeks.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/nova404/ChurchCPPswaybar.jpg

look at this pic real close. Now look were the rack is. Put it in photo shop move the rack so that it would be a rear steer. There is no way that I can see that you can do it without being under the oil pan. So the rack would have to be way down on the ground. Or am I missing something here. I know I am dummer than a rock so I just would like to know how you will get around the pain issue.

I agree,If you use the stock Nova steering arms the rack would have to be mounted hella low simialr to the Unisteer unit.It looks as though you are going to end up with something like this.It is a center steer rack for Ford products.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/nova404/Car%20show%20pictures/manualrack.jpg

I picked up a few parts today from CPP and did a test fit on the rack. It is a close fit but it fits! I will get some more parts and start making brackets this weekend.

New parts!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/newparts.jpg

Steering linkage
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/linkage1.jpg

Front view of rack- it is perfectly level with the mini-subframe plate (even though it looks off in the pic). I know my test fit method is ghetto but it works!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/rack_front.jpg

LH side
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/LH_rack.jpg

RH side
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/RH_rack.jpg

The man's on a mission! Bryan, did you have to install the latex glove with the middle finger up like that???


My opinion is that of having a whole lot of stuff out there for people to try and choose from. I"m glad for one that you are tackling it! God knows we spent some time trying figure stuff out that should have worked right from the get go. You are trying to provide an alternative. Good job! Thanks!

How much is the rack you are using?

Looks like a dodge intrepid rack? Seen my share of those puppies.

I picked up the rack used for $40 and rebuilt it for about $50 more. The manual version (I have) retails at major auto parts stores for about $180 and the power is about $90. I found that local R&P rebuild shops sell them for 15-20% cheaper.

I agree,If you use the stock Nova steering arms the rack would have to be mounted hella low simialr to the Unisteer unit.It looks as though you are going to end up with something like this.It is a center steer rack for Ford products.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/nova404/Car%20show%20pictures/manualrack.jpg

Man, that thing is sweet !.. :)

Are the plans to keep it that low? And I know you are still in the R/D part of this but just asking.

Are the plans to keep it that low? And I know you are still in the R/D part of this but just asking.

I dont have a lot more room to go up because the bellow will contact the oil pan. The lowest portion of the rack will be even with the bottom of the oil pan, but the rack is close to the center line of the front wheels (less susceptable to hitting on a dip or speedbump). I will say that my ground clearance wont get worse, but it doesn't look like I can tuck it up any more to make it better. The large bellow on the rack is a bit of a limitation because the OD of the bellow is about 1-1.5" larger than it needs to be. I tried to look for another option that would keep out dirt/debris while fitting properly and keeping it more low profile, but I haven't found anything yet.

NOGO I just finished my Church conversion and can tell you that after the rack install it turns tighter than with my stock steering.My conflict after the CPP arms was the steering arm on the box would hit the header tube on my 1 3/4 Super Comps.I can now turn lock to lock tighter with no tire conflicts with inner fender or frame. I am running 15x4 wheels though.As for the sway bar there is one in the works,a prototype has been made and Hotchkis will be making them for Chuck.They should be available in 4-8 weeks.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/nova404/ChurchCPPswaybar.jpg
is it just me , or an optical illusion,... but are the tie rods closer together than the ball joints ? this would cause negative Ackerman effect.

is it just me , or an optical illusion,... but are the tie rods closer together than the ball joints ? this would cause negative Ackerman effect.

EDIT: I forgot we were looking at a front steer rack! Yes it appears there is some neg ackerman in the Church setup. I wonder if he has tried swapping the steering arms to gain some ackerman.:confused:

I think this was just a fast setup for the show and not lined up. He was in kind of a rush to get it to the Good Guys show. If you have ever been to a big show like that everything needs to be done at the last minute. Then you get everything setup and say man I wish I done that moved this and on and on.

I think this was just a fast setup for the show and not lined up. He was in kind of a rush to get it to the Good Guys show. If you have ever been to a big show like that everything needs to be done at the last minute. Then you get everything setup and say man I wish I done that moved this and on and on.

I hear you about the show thing... mad rush time !

What happens is during a rack conversion, some folks beleive they can simply
swap the spindles side to side & change the car from rear steer to front steed, or vis-versa. This loses the Acckerman effect & invites bump steer.
Front steer conversions can get tough,.. sometimes where the steering arm needs to be, it hits the brakes or even the wheel.

I hear you about the show thing... mad rush time !

What happens is during a rack conversion, some folks beleive they can simply
swap the spindles side to side & change the car from rear steer to front steed, or vis-versa. This loses the Acckerman effect & invites bump steer.
Front steer conversions can get tough,.. sometimes where the steering arm needs to be, it hits the brakes or even the wheel.

Thanks Mike for the input. I know what you mean about switching the arms from rear to front. On our kits we use the Chevelle arms witch are in fact front steer, now like Tim stated I did not properly align the set up for the show if I could zoom in on the tie rod ends you would see that there are almost no threds showing on the inner tie rod. Also by switching side to side the twist in the arms would not be correct for the tie rods thus causing more problems than ackerman. Bryan I have no intentions of discussing our products on your thread, for those who have questions or conserns you can go to my thread and email or pm me from there. Good luck with your build up and something to note, at the Good Guys show in columbus Unisteer had no displays or made any mention of the early nova rack set up.

NOGO,

Is this going to work with an inline six?

I saw the tie rod adjustment, I figured that was good chance.

looks cool,.. does the rack rotate in the mounting clamps?

No the rack does not rotate,it fits into D shape clamps.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/nova404/MVC-012F.jpg

nice work !

NOGO,

Is this going to work with an inline six?

I am designing the rack to fit a rear sump V8 oil pan, but I will test fit the rack on front sump and I6 cars to see if it fits. I will post the final application here when everything is complete.

I have the tie rod spec and geometry complete. I would like to use the stock Nova tie rods to keep cost low, but I am currently using a different tie rod spec. I will try the Nova tie rods when mock-up is complete to see if they will work. I also started fabbing up some rack mount brackets last night and hope to have them done this weekend. After that I will fab up the tie rod bracket attached to the rack. I will get some more pics tonight...

Okay, dumb question, one I forgot to ask.

Does R&P improve the steering over stock? What I mean does it make it easier to turn with manual R&P over stock? Mine is almost impossible to turn without moving.


T,

Okay, dumb question, one I forgot to ask.

Does R&P improve the steering over stock? What I mean does it make it easier to turn with manual R&P over stock? Mine is almost impossible to turn without moving.


T,

Tom,

There are a lot of factors that come in to place with reagrds to steering effort. A R&P with the same steering ratio as a steering box will be slightly lower in effort, but most R&P setups have shorter steering arms to effectively quicken up the steering because the R&P travel is limited. The shorter steering arms have less leverage and add to the steering effort. With manual steering there is a compromise between quickness and effort. Quicker steering requires less steering wheel input and more effort is required. As you slow down the steering the steering wheel input increases and the effort decreases. Your scrub radius is also a factor in steering effort but thats a whole new thread:D.

I have the rack in place now and mocked up some cardboard brackets. It looks like I gained about 1" ground clearance from my initial placement. The steering linkage is placed and sized as well. I traced the brackets on to some 1/8" sheet steel and will cut the brackets out at work this week (I dont have a ban saw at home). I will add gussets to the brackets after I get the steel ones in place and fitted correctly. The tie rod clearance looks like it will be tight, but I have atleast 1/4" clearance at full sweep so I should be good.

Here is the rack set in place. As you can see the bottom of the rack is about 1" higher than the bottom of the oil pan.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/rack_in_place.jpg

Here is the driver side bracket.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/driver_bracket.jpg

Here is the passenger side bracket.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/passenger_bracket.jpg

Here are the brackets traced on sheet steel.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/bracket_sheet_cutouts.jpg

Here is the steering linkage.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/linkage_mockup.jpg

I made some progress on the mounting brackets. A big thanks to Dale (Teddisnoke) for helping me fab up the brackets! Here are some updates with pics and a video.

The brackets will need to be beefed up a bit from the prototypes I have made but I think the design is pretty solid.

Driver side bracket mockup- the rack is about ¼” from the LCA at full droop, and gains more clearance as the suspension is loaded.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/LH_bracket.jpg

Another pic of the driver side bracket. As you can see I moved the steering linkage as far over as possible to clear most (or hopefully all) the headers available.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/LH_bracket2.jpg

Here is the passenger side bracket.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/RH_bracket.jpg

Another pic of the passenger side bracket.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/RH_bracket2.jpg

Here is a video- the rack is ALIVE!!!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/th_P1010396.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/?action=view&current=P1010396.flv)

Okay, can't wait to see you Street/Track test it. I will want to go to some kind of improved aftermarket steering at some point. The stock power steering in the First Gen leaves a lot to be desired, especially after installing a CPP Mini Clip .

James

How much will this cost?

Did you cut the frame to get the dd shaft on?

wow. make me one :)

Is the stock Z-Bar going to work? What is the measurement from the bottom of the cross-member to the bottom of the rack. You are doing a lot of nice work there. Sorry if I am bugging you with all of this.

Fred- Im working every night in my garage to git'r done! As soon as I have a solid prototype working I will check for fit on other oil pan/ exhaust applications, as well as test fit a power rack.

Fargone- I think it will land in the $600 range, but dont quote me on it just yet!

Tim- I believe the z-bar is mounted much further back so I dont think there will be any issues. Do you have a pic of a z-bar setup in a 1st or 2nd gen? It might clarify this.

Sorry I do not and my son has my camera right now.

I have my "Bills II" rack and pinion setup with all angles correct with swaybar and zbar and stock hedman headers and everything works great! It has been figured out for quite sometime now for the guys who can " do it themselves".

The Z-Bar bracket is 4" from the fire wall. Do you know what the measurement is from the bottom of the stock cross-member to the bottom of the rack. Also did you have to cut the frame to put in the dd shaft?

The Z-Bar bracket is 4" from the fire wall. Do you know what the measurement is from the bottom of the stock cross-member to the bottom of the rack. Also did you have to cut the frame to put in the dd shaft?

The rack will clear the Z bar by a mile! I can get you the measurements later, but right now the rack is out so nicer brackets can be made using the test ones as a template. No cutting, drilling, welding- Im going for direct bolt-in! The DD shaft you see is a 3/4" DD inside a 1" DD so I can slide the 3/4" DD in and out to get the correct length during mock-up. I has plenty of clearance so when the final cut 3/4" DD shaft is done I will have a bunch of room.

Fargone- I think it will land in the $600 range, but dont quote me on it just yet!



Can you break it down by unit cost once done? Are you gonna make the templates for the brackets available to us...:D


T,

Can you break it down by unit cost once done? Are you gonna make the templates for the brackets available to us...:D


T,

Ill break it down when it is done, but I cant say anything on the bracket templates just yet. Someone might be making the brackets and selling them...:yes:

Ill break it down when it is done, but I cant say anything on the bracket templates just yet. Someone might be making the brackets and selling them...:yes:

Cool.........thanks for the R&D..........

I'm also working on a power steering solution, waiting on some parts to come in and trial fit..........stay tuned.....:D


T,

I got the steering linkage in place today. I also started a cardboard pattern for the center tie rod bracket. Next I will mount the rack in place, get the cardboard pattern to shape, then cut it out of steel. Its getting closer! I cant wait to drive it!!!

Here is a pic of the tie rods in place. The square tube is just for mockup and wont be in the final bracket (it is way too bulky).
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/tie_rods_center.jpg

Here is a shot of the passenger side tie rod.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/RH_tie_rod.jpg

Here is the beginning of my cardboard pattern for the center tie rod bracket.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/rack_center_Bracket.jpg

And......How's it going?:)

Hey nogo that is sick:notworthy::notworthy:

Im still waiting for my final brackets- I have some help in making some nice ones instead of going the home-made route. I hope to have them by the end of the week!:yes:

How is the stering project coming. Waiting for next installment. Thanks, Mike.

I have been patiently waititng for my brackets. I will have them on next week with photos.:yes::D

Its been a while since I have been able to move forward with this project, but I started to make some more headway today. My buddy Dale came over to join in the fun! Well today went well with the exception of a bracket that needs to be redone a bit! Dale helped me out a BUNCH welding up the drivers side bracket. Everything fit perfectly...until we found out the tie rod will hit the bracket when turning! So Dale came up with a great idea on modifying the bracket in order to gain the clearance we need for the tie rod, and he was kind enough to take it back to his shop and work on it for me this week. The passenger side bracket was a perfect fit! I took some pics:

Passenger side bracket

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010623.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010624.jpg

Drivers side bracket

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010632.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010633.jpg

I finally got the rack and pinion "finished" today. I am very happy with the performance of it so far. No bumpsteer issues, smooth steering, tight turning radius, good steering feedback. The rack I used is 4 turns lock to lock so there is a small increase in steering quickness. The rack I used also comes in a 3 and 3.5 turns lock to lock so its a quick swap if I want to quicken it up later. I have some small improvements to make with some odds and ends, but its just about done! Here are some pics:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/0P1010656.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/0P1010655.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/0P1010657.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/0P1010658.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/0P1010659.jpg

WOW! That looks REALLY clean! Nice Job!

John

OK so how does it drive?

OK so how does it drive?

It drives VERY nice! Everything is smooth with no binding. I can make tight turns without issue. The rack I am using is avalable in 3 ratios, so I will try a faster ratio this weekend, and also try throwing a PS pump on to see what PS will feel like. I want to see how all the options drive and feel before moving forward.:yes:

cant wait til you can start selling this. Any ideas on time frame yet? Looks really clean. Keep us updated on the PS

Brian,

I noticed that your alignment marks on your Eccentrics are not lined up with the mounts. Just wondering... Did the eccentrics slip, or have you realligned since the initial alignment. I have not been at all concerned about my alignment moving after installing the CPP lower kit, but upon seeing your pics, I'm wondering if you've had issues.

Chuck

Brian,

I noticed that your alignment marks on your Eccentrics are not lined up with the mounts. Just wondering... Did the eccentrics slip, or have you realligned since the initial alignment. I have not been at all concerned about my alignment moving after installing the CPP lower kit, but upon seeing your pics, I'm wondering if you've had issues.

Chuck

Hi Chuck,

The alignment marks were made when I initially installed the lower a-arm kit. I since have installed the upper arms and performed another alignment so thats why the marks moved.:yes: No issues buddy!

Hi Chuck,

The alignment marks were made when I initially installed the lower a-arm kit. I since have installed the upper arms and performed another alignment so thats why the marks moved.:yes: No issues buddy!

Cool Beans! I sorta figured that's what was going on.

I hear you were at SEMA. A buddy of mine (from this site AND from around the corner from me, Dave) was there and spoke with you about your R&P setup. He was impressed. I may need to pick your brain on this before too long...

Chuck

I installed a power rack with 3 turns lock to lock over the weekend. I am impressed- she steers like a new car! I tried it out without the PS pump and it drives very nice. I will install the PS pump and see how it feels this weekend. I was very happy the power rack bolted up with only a few minor tweaks of the hard PS lines. Here are some pics:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010661.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010662.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010663.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010664.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010665.jpg

Cool Beans! I sorta figured that's what was going on.

I hear you were at SEMA. A buddy of mine (from this site AND from around the corner from me, Dave) was there and spoke with you about your R&P setup. He was impressed. I may need to pick your brain on this before too long...

Chuck

Hi Chuck,
I met with a lot of people at SEMA (including a couple Daves). Who did he work for? Pick away buddy!

I got the PS rack hooked up with a pump today. The car drives great, and I just might keep the PS (I am partial to manual steering:yes:).

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010689.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010692.jpg

Well I have been driving the car around with the PS setup for almost a week now. The rack is performing great! After a couple speed runs on the freeway I am ready to hit the drag strip at the Mooneyes X-mas party tomorrow! I wonder how much my ET will be affected by the drag of the PS pump...:eek::D

After about 60 miles and few trips down the strip the car is driving great! Here is a good pic of Mark (Hooksup) and I racing courtesy of Mike Morgan (Bowtie0069).

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/IMG_1328.jpg

When you're as fast as me, you can shoot both sides at once!!
http://images43.fotki.com/v1382/photos/4/42437/7023317/IMG_1234-vi.jpg

When you're as fast as me, you can shoot both sides at once!!


:confused:Damn Mike you are good, LOL.

It looks like someone was sleeping at the line.................Did anyone break any land speed records?

Hooksup is a good description of how the wagon is launching.

It looks like someone was sleeping at the line.................Did anyone break any land speed records?

Hooksup is a good description of how the wagon is launching.

Hey now! That was a RED light!:eek: Mark was trying to win the best reaction time contest.:yes:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/NOGO12s/P1010702.jpg
No land speed records- I ran a tad bit slower than usual. Im blaming the PS pump!:yes:

It's good that you have the time slip or it would be his word against yours!

It's good that you have the time slip or it would be his word against yours! Not me :rolleyes:

nice job on the R&P set up. I really like the P/S set up with the fact you can run headers!!! that's what I wanted for my wagon.

Question...for a drag car with full suspension extension how much does the toe change?

nice job on the R&P set up. I really like the P/S set up with the fact you can run headers!!! that's what I wanted for my wagon.

Question...for a drag car with full suspension extension how much does the toe change?

It would be the same as a stock setup. I used the factory geometry when building the rack setup.

k well you know how when you jack these cars up the dam tires suck in and toe in like crazy? its gonna be the same?

k well you know how when you jack these cars up the dam tires suck in and toe in like crazy? its gonna be the same?

I have not measured the bumpsteer of my car at full extension, but there will always be some measurable amount of bumpsteer with a stock front suspension (even when upgraded), especially at extreme travel (as in wheels up in your case). The stock Nova front end was never intended to stay in alignment at full droop, and excessive bumpsteer is often caused by poor suspension and steering components condition.

Judging from your sig, I would suggest you upgrade to a strut front clip that was more purpose-built for drag racing.

I have not measured the bumpsteer of my car at full extension, but there will always be some measurable amount of bumpsteer with a stock front suspension (even when upgraded), especially at extreme travel (as in wheels up in your case). The stock Nova front end was never intended to stay in alignment at full droop, and excessive bumpsteer is often caused by poor suspension and steering components condition.

Judging from your sig, I would suggest you upgrade to a strut front clip that was more purpose-built for drag racing.

I hear what your saying, but some of the drag association rules don't allow strut front ends. My car is set up to run in classes that require stock front suspensions.

Any updates?

Any updates?

Im working on getting the rack kit production ready- there is a bit of refining to do. Stay tuned for a great rack kit coming down the pipeline!:yes::D:D:D

whats with your pic nogo?

what does it stand for?

whats with your pic nogo?

what does it stand for?

I am an Engineer working on natural gas class 8 trucks. Check it out here:
http://lngtrucks.westport.com

no no the one under you pic.

its on quite a few peoples too..

no no the one under you pic.

its on quite a few peoples too..

NPHNP....Nova people helping Nova People.....you get one of those when you make a cash donation to the site....


T,

WOW! I cant wait for the kit. Have you thought out just selling the components that arent avalible at your local parts warehouse or online. Thanks for all you hard work on this one. I think this will be the next best thing next to the CPP mini kit. Specialy for the guys that have the earily arms.

Any idea when it will be available for sale? Or price estimate?

Thanks.

How is the new cpp r&p kit coming along?

When will it be available and how much will it be?

Will it work with 2" lowering spindles and disk brakes?

nice set-up,thanks.

In its current configuration it should work just like your existing stock parts.I will retain your stock tie rod assemblies.If the components worked with stock stuff it will work with the new rack kit from CP,arms,spindles,brakes etc

In its current configuration it should work just like your existing stock parts.I will retain your stock tie rod assemblies.If the components worked with stock stuff it will work with the new rack kit from CP,arms,spindles,brakes etc

But with the oil pan issue can you lower the car 2 inches ??

The rear sump pan will pose an issue on a lowered car,it will remain to be seen what pan options it will have when it reaches production status.I even heard a rumor if it maybe working on an LSx based conversion.

How is the new cpp r&p kit coming along?

When will it be available and how much will it be?

Will it work with 2" lowering spindles and disk brakes?

I will get a status update from the guys when I am at SEMA this week. They have been busy prepping for the show so I dont know where they are at with it. I was told this month sometime was their goal...:confused:

The setup will work with all spindle and brake setups that I can think of. As Brian mentioned (below) it retains the stock tie rods so the assemblies at the wheels do not have to be changed.

In its current configuration it should work just like your existing stock parts.I will retain your stock tie rod assemblies.If the components worked with stock stuff it will work with the new rack kit from CP,arms,spindles,brakes etc

This is true from what I know right now, but there may be some changes later.

The rear sump pan will pose an issue on a lowered car,it will remain to be seen what pan options it will have when it reaches production status.I even heard a rumor if it maybe working on an LSx based conversion.

The rack kit will work with a standard rear sump pan so ground clearance will not be an issue. It will also work with a Nova rear sump like I have. I know the guys were testing LSx pans but I dont know what they have found yet.

Hopefully I will have more good news to report after SEMA this week...:yes: