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Hey guys Jeff here from CPP and just wanted to check in and see what everyone has been up to for the last couple months since i last logged off. First off great to hear from all you guys via phone and thanks for all the help you guys have given me on that 67 nova i am working on as i really appreciate it.There is so much going on at work right now in reference to the novas at CPP i find myself half confused at times with so much going on.First off i have tons of pics that i promise to post starting today of new nova projects we are building with all of our new products from everyones wish list starting with that bolt in qa-1 coilover kit and its new cpp upper shock towers.The next item on the list will be pics of the new ZERO OFFSET disc kit which has been pure joy to the consumer and even more joy to me as a salesman as we finally have a bolton kit that does not force the tire out making it hit the fender. I gave brian (NOGO) a unisteer rack kit and he will have that installed and pics posted after his honeymoon first of october (congrats nogo!!:D) You guys will NEVER believe your eyes when you see the pics of the 1970 chevy nova we are building that has all been done in a matter of 5 weeks from the biggest bucket to one of the cleanest novas around.Guys i am sure i am forgetting a ton and i will be happy to answer any questions you might have about new productline or any questions that you have had since i last signed off.As always stay tuned as i have tons of pics of all of our current projects.:D

The next item on the list will be pics of the new ZERO OFFSET disc kit which has been pure joy to the consumer and even more joy to me as a salesman as we finally have a bolton kit that does not force the tire out making it hit the fender.

I'm confused. :confused: Hasn't a kit like this from CPP been available for some time now for the early Nova?

I'm confused. :confused: Hasn't a kit like this from CPP been available for some time now for the early Nova?

Glad you asked !! The answer is yes,but for some unknown reason people still insist on running that dreaded chevelle rotor that widens the trac width about an inch per side. The zero offset kit has been out for about 6 months now.

Hey guys what steps need to be taken to post images? I want to post some pics today but im confused!:confused:

Glad you asked !! The answer is yes,but for some unknown reason people still insist on running that dreaded chevelle rotor that widens the trac width about an inch per side. The zero offset kit has been out for about 6 months now.

I bought my kit over a year ago and it was advertised as not moving the trac with out. (6467WBK-S)

Was this incorrect??

I bought my kit over a year ago and it was advertised as not moving the trac with out. (6467WBK-S)

Was this incorrect??

Was it an iron rotor? Or is it an aluminum hub? What is your name i will look you up in the database and tell you what you have. Thanks Jeff.

Hey guys what steps need to be taken to post images? I want to post some pics today but im confused!:confused:

Check out this link http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27716

Check out this link http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27716

Got it i just made my donation to the site.:p

Was it an iron rotor? Or is it an aluminum hub? What is your name i will look you up in the database and tell you what you have. Thanks Jeff.

Yes, I think I've got the iron rotors. I should be in the system as "Brent Murry"

Thanks!

I would like to see what is new out. My car has been done for some time. I have coil overs on it now and Disk Bracks but would like to put a Rack and Pinion on it and do away with the drag link. What is out there and what can I do?

3DTIM

Glad you asked !! The answer is yes,but for some unknown reason people still insist on running that dreaded chevelle rotor that widens the trac width about an inch per side. The zero offset kit has been out for about 6 months now.

An inch per side? Got any real measurements?

An inch per side? Got any real measurements?

"Real Measurements" here they are
A factory chevelle rotor hat measures 2 1/8 inches.
The new classic performance rotor measures 1 1/4 inch.
So this is a freckle short of an inch per side widened width which on that car is like adding 50 miles.Hope this helps.

still waiting on your pictures;)

Yes, I think I've got the iron rotors. I should be in the system as "Brent Murry".

Thanks!

Brent i show a mini subframe ordered but i show nothing on a disc kit.Shoot me an order #. Thanks

Brent i show a mini subframe ordered but i show nothing on a disc kit.Shoot me an order #. Thanks

The subframe kit was ordered via NNN, but I placed the disc brake kit order directly through CPP over the phone. Sigh. I'll have to go back and dig up the invoice from the files.

I'm just wondering why a zero offset kit that's been available for at least a year now is suddenly new and exciting again. I'm worried that what was advertised a year ago as a feature (zero offset) when I ordered the kit isn't necessarily present in what I got.

The description of the part number I listed earlier doesn't appear to have changed in the last year. :confused::confused:

The subframe kit was ordered via NNN, but I placed the disc brake kit order directly through CPP over the phone. Sigh. I'll have to go back and dig up the invoice from the files.

I'm just wondering why a zero offset kit that's been available for at least a year now is suddenly new and exciting again. I'm worried that what was advertised a year ago as a feature (zero offset) when I ordered the kit isn't necessarily present in what I got.

The description of the part number I listed earlier doesn't appear to have changed in the last year. :confused::confused:

Tell you what call me real quick and i can go over this with you and make sure all is fine.Also a few posts back i listed some hat measurements of the difference in kits. Maybe the "new kit" has been out more than 6 months but if it has been a year than time flies. Either way only about 10% of the nova population even realizes this kit exist.

Tell you what call me real quick and i can go over this with you and make sure all is fine.Also a few posts back i listed some hat measurements of the difference in kits. Maybe the "new kit" has been out more than 6 months but if it has been a year than time flies. Either way only about 10% of the nova population even realizes this kit exist.

We're good now. Thanks for the talk on the phone to allay my fears. I got the correct kit and it does what I wanted to it do, so all is good.

I'm looking forward to seeing you post pics of CPPs new Nova toys. :D

Thanks,

Brent

We're good now. Thanks for the talk on the phone to allay my fears. I got the correct kit and it does what I wanted to it do, so all is good.

I'm looking forward to seeing you post pics of CPPs new Nova toys. :D

Thanks,

Brent

Well appears that i have a defective calander guys.Brent is actually correct in saying that kit has been out over a year now. Hey brent pleasure was mine talking with ya on the phone.If you ever need anything just ask.:D

what is there for converting the rear drums to disks without changing the offset.
on a newer one like my 4th gen??
i havnt looked into it much but have thought about it

i just looked at the cpp site and it looks like another one that thinks the nova died off after 74.

so am i just outa luck if i want to do the rear disk conversion:confused:??

"Real Measurements" here they are
A factory chevelle rotor hat measures 2 1/8 inches.
The new classic performance rotor measures 1 1/4 inch.
So this is a freckle short of an inch per side widened width which on that car is like adding 50 miles.Hope this helps.

Didn't help much. I can see that you would want to make the hat shorter, then you don't have to deal with the rotor hitting the upper bolt. A shorter hat doesn't contribute directly to a narrower track. You'd have to move the wheel mounting surface to accomplish that, which means a shorter hub, a spindle with the inner boss moved in, etc.
I measured two setups I have, a GM drum brake setup and a GM disc brake setup. Using a reliable old Stanley Leverlock I was able to measure about a 3/8" difference between the two, from the center of the steering axis to the wheel mounting surface. How did you get your measurement?

Didn't help much. I can see that you would want to make the hat shorter, then you don't have to deal with the rotor hitting the upper bolt. A shorter hat doesn't contribute directly to a narrower track. You'd have to move the wheel mounting surface to accomplish that, which means a shorter hub, a spindle with the inner boss moved in, etc.
I measured two setups I have, a GM drum brake setup and a GM disc brake setup. Using a reliable old Stanley Leverlock I was able to measure about a 3/8" difference between the two, from the center of the steering axis to the wheel mounting surface. How did you get your measurement?

You are right about the hat to disc mearsurments. This is a good example of why we don't let Jeff design the parts at CPP.;)

Using a hieght gauge, and a surface plate, the difference from a drum to a disc is 7/16". These measurements were taken by resting the drum brake on precision ground blocks, and zeroing the hieght gauge against the steering arm boss. Then I assembled the exact same spindle on a disc brake and rested the disc against the the same precesion ground blocks (the blocks were not moved between measurments) and measuring the distance up to the same same location of the same steering arm boss. Sorry for the confusion. FYI; we used the same method of measuring all our brake kits, and the info will be listed in our new catalog.:D

Danny Nix
CPP

what is there for converting the rear drums to disks without changing the offset.
on a newer one like my 4th gen??
i havnt looked into it much but have thought about it

When converting from rear drum to rear disc the wheels move out 1/8" on each side. This is because the rotors are 1/8" thicker than the drums at the wheel flange. Our kits include new longer wheel studs so that you do not run into problems with thread enagagment.

Danny Nix
CPP

You are right about the hat to disc mearsurments. This is a good example of why we don't let Jeff design the parts at CPP.;)

Using a hieght gauge, and a surface plate, the difference from a drum to a disc is 7/16". These measurements were taken by resting the drum brake on precision ground blocks, and zeroing the hieght gauge against the steering arm boss. Then I assembled the exact same spindle on a disc brake and rested the disc against the the same precesion ground blocks (the blocks were not moved between measurments) and measuring the distance up to the same same location of the same steering arm boss. Sorry for the confusion. FYI; we used the same method of measuring all our brake kits, and the info will be listed in our new catalog.:D

Danny Nix
CPP

Height Precision Measurements

My method was somewhat more crude. I used an actual wheel laying on a concrete floor for my base and a tape measure for the results. Nothing traceable to the National Institute of Standards and Technology, but close enough for government work.

I gave brian (NOGO) a unisteer rack kit and he will have that installed and pics posted after his honeymoon first of october (congrats nogo!!:D) You guys will NEVER believe your eyes

Wow I work at Unisteer and have been trying to get a employee price quote for 4 months.

Wow I work at Unisteer and have been trying to get a employee price quote for 4 months.

Jeff used the term "gave" loosely...

OK guys here is the new qa-1 coilover kit. Notice it uses our own coilspring and bolts right in place using no additional brackets.This kit is a single adjustable and improves ride quality by leaps and bounds it allows you to go 2 inches lower than stock(to go any lower you may need to modify factory bumpstop) and it will raise car 1 inch over stock. I will continue to throw up installation photos when time permits.Enjoy!! These will be ready to ship first of next month as all we are waiting on is our coilovers.

Jeff used the term "gave" loosely...

Very true i should have said "gave" him the kit after he "gave" me his ********$.:D

So whats the advantage of coil overs? Can you adjust ride height easily? Is there any risk of that lower shock mount breaking? All the weight of the car is going through that little bar.

Do you have a price for the QA1 coilover kit yet?

So whats the advantage of coil overs? Can you adjust ride height easily? Is there any risk of that lower shock mount breaking? All the weight of the car is going through that little bar.

Ride hieght and shock valving adjustments can be made in a couple of minutes.

The bar used on the lower mount is chromoly and is bigger than the O.E. bar.

Some of the key features are;
The kits bolts into the original mounts.
There is no cutting, grinding, or drilling.
The custom wound springs fit on the original spring seats.

Danny Nix
CPP

Do you have a price for the QA1 coilover kit yet?

The kit costs $569.00 and the best is yet to come. Give me about 5 minutes and you will see the new upper mounts that are included with the kit. Can you say sweet???

Ive got that kit installed on my car and it looks and fits sweet..just make sure to tell people to get the adapters for use with your tubular upper a arms because that tripped me up for a bit

First pic was before installation
Second pic was after installation
Third pic shows the new bolt on upper mounts.
Enjoy!!:D

So how much ride adjustment is there? Is it possible to have it sit like stock?

Ive got that kit installed on my car and it looks and fits sweet..just make sure to tell people to get the adapters for use with your tubular upper a arms because that tripped me up for a bit

You probably have a kit made by some else. We sold some of these before we started to develop our own. The CPP kit is new. There is no need for adapters with the CPP kit. The CPP kit also has full wheel travel, bump stop to bump stop and then some.

The CPP coil over kit will bolt on to any upper arm that has mounts for the original perch. It also bolts into the same holes as the original upper shock bracket.

No adapters
No drilling
No cutting
No bending
No welding
NO HEADACHES!

Danny Nix
CPP

So how much ride adjustment is there? Is it possible to have it sit like stock?

You can have the car at stock hieght, raised or lowered. The suspension is only limited by the ball joints. If you removed the bumpstops the balljoints would bind before the shock is topped or bottomed out. The springs are custom wound on CPP custom made tooling and have more travel and adjustment than the 62-67 Nova was ever designed for.

Danny Nix
CPP

yeah the kit i got i had to redrill the shock tower holes and get rid of the lip on the back side to fit the brackets in...if i was to use the bottom shock mount would have had to drill 10 holes in each factor upper a arm...but i used the tubular upper a arm and used the pin bracket insted..but if its easy as they say id go with the new one..

I allready have the CPP 1 1/2 lowering springs on my 64 with the KB shocks from CPP. Can I reuse any of these parts with the new coil overs. And are these new springs softer than mine?

I allready have the CPP 1 1/2 lowering springs on my 64 with the KB shocks from CPP. Can I reuse any of these parts with the new coil overs. And are these new springs softer than mine?

The spring rate on this is softer than the CPP drop spring, and firmer than the stock spring. Besides the shock valveing can be adjusted by simply turning a knob untill you get the ride quality where you like.
The O.E. type spring, shock, perch, and upper bracket are not used with the coil over.

Danny Nix
CPP

I'm confused. :confused: Hasn't a kit like this from CPP been available for some time now for the early Nova?

Yep, it has. That was the kit that I wrote up last fall...great stuff, worked great. I had a few hitches, but that was an early production kit from what I understand, and the CPP folks got me straightened out quickly in any case.

http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46189

http://www.bracketracer.com/nova/cppfdb/cppfdb.htm

I have the 1 1/2 lowered springs and KB shocks about $170. This new kit is $569.Is the kit that good for $300 more. Please tell me The advantage. This is not a bash---just curious about the thought process .

If you change the ride height on the spring, does it affect the suspension geometry?

Yes it would affect the suspension geometry. But I don't think overall it would cause a lot of problems unless you went really low or really high.

First pic was before installation
Second pic was after installation
Third pic shows the new bolt on upper mounts.
Enjoy!!:D


Ah, so you bought this car? I remember it being advirtised on here a few times. Then it was sold at a pretty low price on ebay, no reserve.

How about a full picture write up on the coilover install? And maybe chrome upper mounts as an option?

First pic was before installation
Second pic was after installation
Third pic shows the new bolt on upper mounts.
Enjoy!!:D

Definately going to have to get that set up.:D

I guess I will have some brand new springs and shocks for sale if anyones interested.:)

And maybe chrome upper mounts as an option?

No, don't say that! Then we'll all get stuck with no option other than the chrome ones. :p

Make them paintable and offer chrome as a +++******** option.

I'm considering a coil-over kit, but I don't wanna spend the ********.

Definately going to have to get that set up.:D

I guess I will have some brand new springs and shocks for sale if anyones interested.:)

How much? are they stock replacement?

what is the max travel on the front shock, some people with the "other" coil over kit are having problems with front end travel.

i really like this over the moroso drag springs i installed.

what is the max travel on the front shock, some people with the "other" coil over kit are having problems with front end travel.

i really like this over the moroso drag springs i installed.

This set up has more travel than the ball joints or the bump stops. In other words the coil over will not limit your travel. Even when the spring is adjusted to lift the car 1 inch over stock hight, the suspension can still be bottomed against the bumpstop/balljoint, and not be limited by the spring. Infact the spring will still have onther 1/2" before the coils start to bind. CPP sold a few of the "other" coil overs and recognized a need for improvment.
Danny Nix
CPP

This last weekend, Bryan brought up one of your new front coilovers to our annual SoCal Nova's BBQ. Needless to say, the workmanship is real nice, and after he gets back from his honeymoon, his Nova will be up on our shoplift at Maple Ave. Fabrication for a complete install, along with the unisteer. Hopes are quite a few photos for and/or an install video on these new parts along with an in depth look at the existing CPP front end kit that was installed some time back, to see how it is holding up.

Dale Snoke
Maple Ave. Fabrication/ The FunnyCar Farm.
(626) 852-2876

Jeff/Danny

Looking good. Couple of questions:

1. The picture of the coil over setup appears to show CPP's new 2" drop spindle installed? Is this the case?

2. Does the picture of the "after" assembly have the 2" drop spindle installed?

3. I assume that the stock suspension "before" included stock heigh springs, shocks, and spindles?

4. Is the "after" photo shown at max drop?

Just wanted to make sure everyone is on the same page as to what was installed to get the drop as shown in the photos.

Jeff/Danny

Looking good. Couple of questions:

1. The picture of the coil over setup appears to show CPP's new 2" drop spindle installed? Is this the case?

2. Does the picture of the "after" assembly have the 2" drop spindle installed?

3. I assume that the stock suspension "before" included stock heigh springs, shocks, and spindles?

4. Is the "after" photo shown at max drop?

Just wanted to make sure everyone is on the same page as to what was installed to get the drop as shown in the photos.

The picture whith the drop spindle was taken in a front clip. We have this clip to mock up parts on without having to always use a complete car. We used it for the pictures because there is no fender, engine, etc that may have ben in the way of getting a better picture. The before picture was taken with O.E. spindles, and new stock springs, then the only change for the after picture was switching to the coil over.

The after picture is with the spring adjusted almost al the way down. This car has prototype springs. Nogo has the only other set of prototype springs. The prototype springs came out 25 pounds per inch over the correct spring rate. So, production springs will allow the car to sit slightly lower than what you see on our car.

Danny Nix
CPP

Any updates?? bump!

Any updates?? bump!

Im working on it...

Any updates?? bump!

All parts are in stock, and being boxed into kits now. I expect to start shiping 10/2/07.

We also have new offset billet replacment upper arm cross shafts for the 62-67. These are offset 2 degrees negative camber to help with tire to fender clearnce, or compinsate for a lower quality spindle that has too much positve camber.

Danny Nix CPP

So will that offset cross shaft make the tire more centered in the wheel well front to back? I know the after market clips locate the tire back more and it looks better, I never understood why GM made the tire so far forward in the fender, looks weird to have all the space behind it.

So will that offset cross shaft make the tire more centered in the wheel well front to back? I know the after market clips locate the tire back more and it looks better, I never understood why GM made the tire so far forward in the fender, looks weird to have all the space behind it.

The shaft will pull the top of the tire closer to the engine, and away from the fender. You can add alignment shims to the shaft and adjust the wheel slightly foward, backward, of outward. It may not get the wheel as far back as you want, but it will help, and it allows a larger range of adjustment for the wheel alignment.
Keep in mind that if you pull the wheel in a bit, you may need to cut a bit off of the tie rod adjuster and outer tie rod in order to get them short enough to work.

Danny NIX
CPP

Guys right now the 70 nova is at T.C.I. having the new front clip and the rear 4 link installed and as soon as its done i will post some pics. Hang tight its worth the wait.:D

i used superior spindles..great bunch of guys..they make there own spindles
i paid $550.00 with 12" rotors..these actually look like a factory disk brakes.

i bought some mcCaughy's spindles and i was not happy at all, they used 10" rotors and used 78-82 monte carlo calipers..just like you said LATE MODEL STUFF and it was all metric but the superior kit came with bigger calipers and braided line for the calipers


give them a call. i highly recomend them


LIVIN42MARROW; are you familiar with the Superior Spindles that strtlegal is talking about? I cant find thier website and the Ph. number is disconnected. Do you sell a kit with them or something simular? This is a 70 Nova I am working on. It has manual drums both ends right now.

Thanks, Keith.

Looking for a CPP rep. to chime in here.

I'm currently running a completely stock front suspension on my 67. I also have original drum brakes. I would like to get the upper and lower control arm mini subframe kit, QA1 coil-over kit, and 13" brake kit. I have some question I was hoping could be answered.

1. Will the 13" disc brake kit move the wheels out from the stock location if I use the 2" drop spindle #CP30101? I will be using a 17x7 wheel with 4.5" backspacing and would like to know if I will have clearance issues.

2. Would I use the 6267SWBK-P13 or 6267WBKP13 brake kit? Both numbers listed on the CPP website are the same price but what's the difference? Why does kit 6267SWBK-P13 indicate "(includes 2” drop spindles)" while the other kit looks like you need to purchase spindles seperately?

3. I'm looking for a maximum 2" drop. Do I really need 2" drop spindles if the coil overs can be lowered 2" also? Would you recommend drop spindles and the coil over kit together or would you recommend a standard height spindle if available? I imagine idealy I would run the coil over at stock height and the spindle would take car of the 2" drop.

Looking for a CPP rep. to chime in here.


3. I'm looking for a maximum 2" drop. Do I really need 2" drop spindles if the coil overs can be lowered 2" also? Would you recommend drop spindles and the coil over kit together or would you recommend a standard height spindle if available? I imagine idealy I would run the coil over at stock height and the spindle would take car of the 2" drop.

ditto on this , excellent question !!!

Looking for a CPP rep. to chime in here.

I'm currently running a completely stock front suspension on my 67. I also have original drum brakes. I would like to get the upper and lower control arm mini subframe kit, QA1 coil-over kit, and 13" brake kit. I have some question I was hoping could be answered.

1. Will the 13" disc brake kit move the wheels out from the stock location if I use the 2" drop spindle #CP30101? I will be using a 17x7 wheel with 4.5" backspacing and would like to know if I will have clearance issues.

2. Would I use the 6267SWBK-P13 or 6267WBKP13 brake kit? Both numbers listed on the CPP website are the same price but what's the difference? Why does kit 6267SWBK-P13 indicate "(includes 2” drop spindles)" while the other kit looks like you need to purchase spindles seperately?

3. I'm looking for a maximum 2" drop. Do I really need 2" drop spindles if the coil overs can be lowered 2" also? Would you recommend drop spindles and the coil over kit together or would you recommend a standard height spindle if available? I imagine idealy I would run the coil over at stock height and the spindle would take car of the 2" drop.

Great questions guys. Here is the answer... The big brake drop spindle kit DOES NOT move the wheels out and keeps them in the stock location making this kit EXTREMLEY DESIRABLE.In my opinion a 17x7 with a 4.5 inch backspace will not be an issue at all in terms of clearence issues.The part# 6267swbk-d13 has the drop spindles included in the kit and its $999.00 and the 6267wbk-p13 is $799.00 is minus the drop spindles.As far as how low you want to go is all a matter of opinion i personally love these cars LOW so having the drop spindles and the qa-1 together is a must to get maximum drop and not to mention with the coil over you can adjust ride height to get that perfect stance.In my opinion 2 inches is not enough drop alone but the coil over will give you the luxary of making this thing sit perfect and have a ride quality like no other. Guys great questions and keep em coming. I am super slammed here at cpp sorry for the late replies. Hope this clears up some gray areas. Enjoy the weekend!!