"New" CPP Disc Brake Rotors

Just an FYI:

During my visit to CPP last week I found out they have custom tailered a rotor for one of their early Nova disc brake kits that does not move the hub surface outward like most disc brake kits do. If I remember correctly, it uses the S-10 style caliper like one of their other kits. Sorry, I dont know details like price or P/N...

I recommend you contact Jeff if you are interested.

Then, ask Lee at Lee and Son's what he thinks of those spindles on a first or second gen. Nova. He might tell you what he told me. That spindle is garbage and impossible to align in a Nova.

Then, ask Lee at Lee and Son's what he thinks of those spindles on a first or second gen. Nova. He might tell you what he told me. That spindle is garbage and impossible to align in a Nova.

Those were the old style spindles that Rudy and everybody was selling a couple of years ago. I have had CPP's spindles and calipers (S-10 Monte Carlo rotors) on my wagon for about 2 years and no problems at all. Lee & son is the place to go for Nova front ends. Don't forget to replace your spring perches too!!

This is very interesting Mark. I returned mine after Lee told me he would not touch those spindles. CPP now has a re-designed spindle they sell. I suggest everyone buy the new spindle.

I also removed the original drop spindles from my 63. The tires rubbed at the drag link ball joints and required a 7/16 wheel spacer, which caused the tires to hit the fenders, that caused the slice and ruined the tire. (twice).
I visited w/cpp and left w/the new style drop spindles, routers. I'm now using the stock steering arms.I still ended up having to run w/a 1/4" wheel spacer to keep the rims from grazing the caliper. There's plenty of space now at the ball joint/tire.(BFG 195 70r14 - 6" rally 3 1/2" back set)
I could have removed a little material from the rim and or the caliper. The rim just clipped the caliper by a couple of thousand's. I'll do this later on, It was late and I was leaving for the GG Columbus Nats in the morning.
Note: The outer wheel bearing is not the same size as the drilled/ slotted unit originally supplied. This new rotor needs a smaller bearing and grease cap. I also had to riffle though my hardware to get castle nuts w/deep enough slots to get the cotter pins in. some of the supplied nuts where not deep enough and you'd strip the ball joint trying the get the c-hole exposed though the nut. (learned that the hard way)
Car drives good finally, I had a hell of a time w/ springs, shocks, spindles.
I actually ended up placing a 13/16" spacer under the spring perch to get the car to a height where I could drive it. 13/16" with longer hardware got me around 2" lift at the wheel well. With the drop spindle and 2 different CPP coils the car sat at 21 1/2" +/- and the tires hit the fenders. Keep in mind I also was running the 7/16 wheel spacer do to the tire ball joint situation, even with the 13/16" coil perch spacer in place the tires would hit the fenders around the 10:00 position in a turning bump situation do to the wheel being so far out in the well. The new style spindles and routers and stock arms worked for me. Took the front end apart 5 times to get a combination that worked for me. I think I'm the worst case sinario that ever hit these pages, but like I said....the car drives good now. 1800 miles last week w/o a problem.

The brake kits have actually been out for awhile now. We have had good luck with the ones we have installed, and sold.

rtbme: I noticed you are running a 14" wheel. With disc brakes, it is tough to clear a 14" wheel. Haven't had a problem with clearance on 15's, or even some of the 14" factory disc brake wheels.

This is very interesting Mark. I returned mine after Lee told me he would not touch those spindles. CPP now has a re-designed spindle they sell. I suggest everyone buy the new spindle.

I talked to Mark today and he has the re-designed spindles. Stay away from those S-10 spindles, SS.:geek:

If I remember correctly the rims I have are the disk brake ones, i built this car a long time ago, hard to remember. I had been running a four piston type caliper since i built the car in 1989. I had found a set of Nova disk brake spindles at the Carlisle PA swap meet and had been using those w/ a cut coil till I swapped out for the 2" drop units from CPP. The rims cleared those first calipers, they just clip the new calipers, I'll remove a little material and they'll be fine.

Just an FYI:

During my visit to CPP last week I found out they have custom tailered a rotor for one of their early Nova disc brake kits that does not move the hub surface outward like most disc brake kits do. If I remember correctly, it uses the S-10 style caliper like one of their other kits. Sorry, I dont know details like price or P/N...

I recommend you contact Jeff if you are interested.

These are whats one my Blue SS, along with their dropped spindles. they work bitchin. Lee & sons aligned it also.

I'll be using the same set up on the new yellow car too.

alright homies, can ya hook a brother up with Lee and whoevers contact info??

alright homies, can ya hook a brother up with Lee and whoevers contact info??

are you gonna bring the car out here for them to align it? haha.

they're just an alignment shop out in cali.

Hey, it would be a great shake down run:D:D:D I'll run a string and get it close enough for the 3000 mile test run:D

Which spindles are you guys talking about that don't work right (and why). I've got a set of the 2" drop Superior Spindles (maybe close to 10 years old but very few miles on them) on my '63.

I'm in the middle of a re-work of the front suspension. I have a CPP mini-sub kit with lower arms (one of the sets modified to work with the Bill's II setup) and the 2" drop Superior Spindles. I believe that the Superior Spindles and the 1 piece drop spindles that CPP sells are the same, but I am not 100% sure of that.

I'm trying to figure out if my combination is going to work. I already know that I'm going to have to grind on the spindle/arm assembly to get a reasonable turning radius, as part of the integral steering arm hits the lower control arm. It looks like there is plenty of metal in the area that needs to be ground, so I'm not too worried about weakening the spindle.

However, If I need a different setup in order to get everything to work together, I'd rather find out before I start modifying these spindles.

SteveM.

These are whats one my Blue SS, along with their dropped spindles. they work bitchin. Lee & sons aligned it also.

I'll be using the same set up on the new yellow car too.

Do these new drop spindles have the steer arms built into them or do the detach like the stock spindles?

i've also got the 1 piece 2" drop superior spindles with monte carlo rotors/s10 calipers,bought from CPP around 5/6 years ago, the kit seemed to work well on the street but since the car has been getting quicker under full throttle with full suspension drop it suffers serious toe in, it was bad enough to make the car drift and feel very vague:eek:, so i'll be going back to the stock spindles but before i call CPP to order a zero offset front brake kit is it possible to use the monte carlo rotors & S10 calipers that i already have and maybe only fabricate/or buy caliper brackets, does this work? if so does it move the wheels out?

Don't knock that string alignment stuff. Somewhere around here is a picture of NOGO himself, holding the very instruments (string and tape measure)doing an alignment on my Nova a couple years ago. It got me to the alignment shop, and they said it was VERY close to being spot on!!!! Somethin to be said about a ball of string!!!:yes:

On another note, I run the CPP dics brake kit, and it was very close fit with 14" wheels, but it does fit. A slight amount of rounding and feathering the casting on the caliper was all mine needed. That was some four years back.

Don't knock that string alignment stuff. Somewhere around here is a picture of NOGO himself, holding the very instruments (string and tape measure)doing an alignment on my Nova a couple years ago. It got me to the alignment shop, and they said it was VERY close to being spot on!!!! Somethin to be said about a ball of string!!!:yes:

HAHA!!! I remember that!!!:D

Do these new drop spindles have the steer arms built into them or do the detach like the stock spindles?

These spindles use a bolt on steering arm. If you do not have yours, CPP has a new replacment steering arm availible.
Danny Nix
CPP

I had CPP drop spindles. It was to low for the tires I have and in the hands of an 18 yr old would have been bad.

Check the price!
Suggested Retail: $ 549.10
Sale Price: $ 349.10

http://www.performanceonline.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=19152&cat=1000&page=1

Moves wheels out 3/8" on each side

But the CPP upper control arms are 3/16" narrower so I am only out 3/16" each side.

American Racing outlaw wheels w/ 3-1/2" Backset

I bought 2 sets sweet!

These spindles use a bolt on steering arm. If you do not have yours, CPP has a new replacment steering arm availible.
Danny Nix
CPP

Whats the part number for this 2in drop spindle "New style" kit?

Whats the part number for this 2in drop spindle "New style" kit?

The spindle part # is CP30103. It will work with almost any brake kit that works on a stock disc or drum spindle.

Danny Nix
CPP

The spindle part # is CP30103. It will work with almost any brake kit that works on a stock disc or drum spindle.

Danny Nix
CPP

Thanks.Whats the part number for the 2in drop spindle brake kit that uses this new spindle?

Thanks.Whats the part number for the 2in drop spindle brake kit that uses this new spindle?

There are many brake kits. We have a 10.8" and 11" rotor kit that is made to fit inside a 14" disc brake wheel. The 10.8" kit will keep the wheel in the stock drum brake location. The 11" kit will mount the wheel in the stock disc brake locaton. Disc brake cars move each wheel out wider by 7/16" each side. On the 62-67 cars this change of7/16" often ends up making the tire rub the outer fender.

We also have 2 different 13" rotor kits that will put the wheel in either the disc or drum location. The 13" kit will fit all 17" wheels, and I have been able to use them with 16" American Racing wheels. and beilve it or not, I was even able to mount a set of skinny 15" drag stars.

These kits come everthing at the wheel or everthing needed in the car including rear disc, parking brak cables, etc. The bottom line on the part number is that there are many part numbers, it depends on how complete a kit you need. The best thing to do is call and talk to a salesman, tell them what wheel you are running and they will help you with what you are looking for.

Sorry for the long half answer but these kits are often built for each customers different needs.
Danny Nix
CPP