Informative thread deleted??

[TerryT]

I had a thread going about potential problems one might encounter if they purchased a tubular A arm kit for a '66 or'67 Nova. Well I guess it got deleted, since I cannot find it now. Its too bad, that voices from experience cant be heard, and you too, might have to learn from experience. C'mon mods., got to hear the bad too you know. Its not fiction. Thanks

[batman09]

That stinks!!Why:confused: :confused: I thought no names were mentioned:confused: That was a very good thread.bm

[the FLYER]

it's ONLY obvious who it was about... geeeze gimme a break (give everyone a break) it was a bash from pretty much the beginning... it's a wonder they let it go that long... they "probably" let it go in hopes that Terry's problem was resoved... and from what i read Terry found a solution... whether from the "company" or on his own... it was resolved... after his comment another member continued his tirade on "GOOD LUCK" buying/getting satisfaction...

you of all people (been here a while) should know a bash when ya see one...

[batman09]

it's ONLY obvious who it was about... geeeze gimme a break (give everyone a break) it was a bash from pretty much the beginning... it's a wonder they let it go that long... they "probably" let it go in hopes that Terry's problem was resoved... and from what i read Terry found a solution... whether from the "company" or on his own... it was resolved... after his comment another member continued his tirade on "GOOD LUCK" buying/getting satisfaction...

you of all people (been here a while) should know a bash when ya see one...
There was still alot of valuable info there....maybe it shoud have been edited insted of deleted........It just bugs me that things get deleted so easily... lately.bm
ps.....I'm very satisfied with the product I purchased from them!

[the FLYER]

yeah, maybe BatMan... but you KNOW how it goes... with one negative comment they seem to sno-ball and then what's to be done ??? if ya really think about it it WAS against the site rules from the get go... so, it went on for what, 2 pages ??? and it ONLY discussed one thing... the eccentrics. so that issue's been resolved (for the member) the info's been previously discussed in other threads so with research (NOGO's & Patman's threads) more positive info can be viewed...


you know if someone has a problem the members all try ta help... but the way that thread was going it's really no wonder it's gone...


deletes ??? no no real quantity or quickness to delete, my opinion anyway... i may not be a Mod but i see what goes on too and the only time i personally see a deletion is Only when warranted... you know what happens when a deletion is made, this one is no different... it's against the rules, it gets deleted then ya get the "WHY" thread... hey, i'm no one special... i've asked "WHY" too...


it's the way it goes ;)



ps, i'm happy too... bought a TON of stuff, no probs that weren't handled... i've spent easily over 6K with them... and i get NO money for endorsements ;)

[novanutcase]

Consider yourself lucky! I got my thread deleted for posting this:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g170/novanutcase/BushArmymen.jpg

Sheesh! I thought it was funny but I guess they thought it was "political"!

John

[SuperSport]

It is a shame sometimes as members only hear positives from a product and never the negatives. I think the pro's and con's should be discussed so a member can decided if he wants to dish out hundreds of dollars on a product.
Same goes with a company's customer service. I know there are some company's I avoid for those resons. I also, try to avoid anything not made in the USA.
SS.

[Raidah]

I think the threads would go longer or stay if the comments were more neutral rather than onesided, we don't have to post that they're getting screwed, if they explain everything 'nicely' then i think we can put 2 and 2 together and figure it out on our own. One mans experience may not be the same for the next. I think, there is a way to go about it.
Rules are rules...i understand that but if we use that as the backbone then why do the crude jokes outlast the vendor bashing? This is a family site, right? but deragatory remarks about woman are ok? what is the difference in the rules if rules are rules?
This mono has seemed to be created here....NPHNP. Some guys want some more feedback before they spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a part(s). They ask here, but it is against the rules to tell their experience ONLY if it is negative? I can only assume it is because of the way it is posted, maybe if we be a bit more careful with the way we describe our situation...Now the guys who are researching this stuff are not gonna see what they may be looking for. example, adding a part will stiffen the suspension, well guys with back problems would prob would want to know that. If anything, i think it could be (or could've been) edited and locked and selected posts perhaps be deleted.

Just my thoughts

Marcello

[TerryT]

it's ONLY obvious who it was about... geeeze gimme a break (give everyone a break) it was a bash from pretty much the beginning... it's a wonder they let it go that long... they "probably" let it go in hopes that Terry's problem was resoved... and from what i read Terry found a solution... whether from the "company" or on his own... it was resolved... after his comment another member continued his tirade on "GOOD LUCK" buying/getting satisfaction...

you of all people (been here a while) should know a bash when ya see one...

You cant let a thread go because it was resolved. And it isnt resolved yet. There are 3 problems with my kit, 2 ,I had to fix on my own, the other , I'm waiting on a reply. The problems could be very serious, if not addressed. Batman, wasn't really aware of the problem, and I suppose he thought everything was OK with his install, when actually he has one of the same issues I had. Remember, this is dealing with suspension and steering. Will you be happy and still pleased, if you would have an accident due to inferior parts? There has to be others that dont know, and are driving around, thinking, "Hey, it came with the kit, it must be right".
Deleting the entire thread isnt right. It could have been edited, so people could see the good and the bad. Remember, this isnt just a $19.99 part! Had I seen the issues I have now, I would have waited or maybe changed my mind, due to me having read the total story of a product, not just the good.

[XINLOI44]

it's ONLY obvious who it was about... geeeze gimme a break (give everyone a break) it was a bash from pretty much the beginning... it's a wonder they let it go that long... they "probably" let it go in hopes that Terry's problem was resoved... and from what i read Terry found a solution... whether from the "company" or on his own... it was resolved... after his comment another member continued his tirade on "GOOD LUCK" buying/getting satisfaction...

you of all people (been here a while) should know a bash when ya see one...

Whether you like it or not, what Johnny said is true. I haven't checked the thread in a couple days, BUT it was, or had been vendor bashing. I "ASKED" at the time for the names to be edited out. One person did, the other didn't. I edited for him. You ALL should know STEVES rules about bashing. If not, reread them!! In the rules, it says a thread can be edited, or deleted. It takes time to go thru all threads, and edit them because someone doesn't follow the rules or is just to lazy to do it. Thats how they get deleted. If you remember, I asked for you all to "edit" out names, guess it didn't happen. No I didn't delete the thread, but if I had checked up on it again and there was bashing "still" going on, I would have done it. Please guys/gals...read the site rules so this doesn't happen again. Thats why I left it the first time because it had some good info.

Thanks

Don

[Mike Goble]

It's tough to live with a one-way policy. You can post all you want about how great some widget is and encourage the purchase of said widget, but when other widget owners report that actual results have varied it somehow becomes a bash-fest, and fingers poised on the delete button are quick to act. If we are truly helping each other we should be able to honestly express our experiences with any widget.

For example, start a thread about carb selection. You'll get a wide variety of responses about what works and what doesn't, which one to buy and which one to stay away from, demeaning words about stock ones, etc. Does the same policy apply here? Can you say Quadrajunk? Is that Rochester bashing? If I report that my cam went flat, am I bashing the cam manufacturer?

We can post a picture of an unusually configured car and ridicule the hell out of it but we can't report that the emperor has no clothes?

[Greg_R_63]

Mike has some very good points, and they echo my own misgivings about the no bashing policy. I understand why the policy is in place. People love to rant. When they feel they are done wrong, sometimes all they can do is get on the internet and tee off. Unchecked though, you end up with a forum full of junk. The compromise is for a mod to go through threads like the one in question and edit out all the name calling and noise. It's a lot of work though, and I'm not volunteering anyone else to do it.

[NIGHTSHADE]

it's ONLY obvious who it was about... geeeze gimme a break (give everyone a break) it was a bash from pretty much the beginning... it's a wonder they let it go that long... they "probably" let it go in hopes that Terry's problem was resoved... and from what i read Terry found a solution... whether from the "company" or on his own... it was resolved... after his comment another member continued his tirade on "GOOD LUCK" buying/getting satisfaction...

you of all people (been here a while) should know a bash when ya see one...

Sorry Johnny, but I must disagree with you here. Being Obvious doesn't make it deletable IMO, we have always said, and posted on many occasions that you can say what you want as long as you don't mention the vendors name.

So if the name wasn't mentioned no rule was broken, and if only one company makes this "widget" then that is their down fall.

Look at all the bashing the reproduction companies get, every day. Should those threads be left alone like they have been?

I for one would be all for a section devoted to pro's and con's of car related products and services. I would even volenteer to mod it.

[Nwayne]

Sorry Johnny, but I must disagree with you here. Being Obvious doesn't make it deletable IMO, we have always said, and posted on many occasions that you can say what you want as long as you don't mention the vendors name.

So if the name wasn't mentioned no rule was broken, and if only one company makes this "widget" then that is their down fall.

Look at all the bashing the reproduction companies get, every day. Should those threads be left alone like they have been?

I for one would be all for a section devoted to pro's and con's of car related products and services. I would even volenteer to mod it.

Unfortunately, I agree with Jonsey.:rolleyes: :o :D :D

[batman09]

Sorry Johnny, but I must disagree with you here. Being Obvious doesn't make it deletable IMO, we have always said, and posted on many occasions that you can say what you want as long as you don't mention the vendors name.

So if the name wasn't mentioned no rule was broken, and if only one company makes this "widget" then that is their down fall.

Look at all the bashing the reproduction companies get, every day. Should those threads be left alone like they have been?

I for one would be all for a section devoted to pro's and con's of car related products and services. I would even volenteer to mod it.Thats exactly what I was thinking but wasn't sure how to word it.Thanks Jonsey!!!bm

[Joe]

It's tough to live with a one-way policy. You can post all you want about how great some widget is and encourage the purchase of said widget, but when other widget owners report that actual results have varied it somehow becomes a bash-fest, and fingers poised on the delete button are quick to act. If we are truly helping each other we should be able to honestly express our experiences with any widget.

For example, start a thread about carb selection. You'll get a wide variety of responses about what works and what doesn't, which one to buy and which one to stay away from, demeaning words about stock ones, etc. Does the same policy apply here? Can you say Quadrajunk? Is that Rochester bashing? If I report that my cam went flat, am I bashing the cam manufacturer?

We can post a picture of an unusually configured car and ridicule the hell out of it but we can't report that the emperor has no clothes?

This is Very True.I dont Post much here anymore simply because some only want typed what they want to read/here.

[novanutcase]

I understand the whole idea in the rules about outright vendor bashing as it would cause havoc on many levels but I do have to agree that to only sing praises about any product is not helpful IMO! A good example was a post where someone had bought a TCI clip and was bashing them because he didn't receive the super duper 1,000,000 piston/crossed and slotted/gold plated/formula 1 brakes with it! Obviously this person had not done their homework and was bashing unnecessarily. A prime candidate for either locking or deletion of post but when someone receives a part or kit and that part/kit is giving them problems or is found to be less than what the manufacturer is claiming, it should, I think, be left up so that others can read his/her experience and decide for themselves what to take away from the post. Especially if what this person finds makes our cars unsafe!
I also understand, at least on some of the other car sites, that they have sponsors to protect but this is not the case on this site, which is why it seems strange that this site would adhere so strictly to this policy. One of the reasons, IMO, that this site is the best on the web is exactly for this reason. SNS is not bound by having to cowtow to it's sponsors in fear that they may drop their sponsorship(Well.....except for NNN but I haven't heard any complaints about NNN yet!:) ) which should allow it's members the freedom to express their feelings about a particular product and how it performed for them without fear of degrading the solvability of the site.
I will say, though, that, in the end, it is Steves site and if he feels it is necessary to continue the policy he originally instituted I, for one, will try my best to respect it!

John

[69NovaSS]

Consider yourself lucky! I got my thread deleted for posting this:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g170/novanutcase/BushArmymen.jpg

Sheesh! I thought it was funny but I guess they thought it was "political"!

John

it was funny the problem was that the comments turned it into a politcal post. Sometimes a joke is just a joke no matter who its about and it would be nice if some of our members would learn to leave the politics at home...:mad:

[DZ66SS]

I agree with the "no co. bashing" as a whole because if a single Co. was that bad as a whole they wouldnt be in business long. But, as far as an item that said Co. sales I would like to hear the experiances people have had with it.
If the thread gets that many neg post maybe there is a reason for that. If I was to read a post about a bad product I wouldnt just take that one posts word for it, I would continue to read and see all the opinions and/or ask for a more detailed explination for there post. If the post was untrue then I expect the people that had a good expiriance with this product to defend it.
Isnt that part of what this site is about? I Know I have found out the hard way by buying somthing and it is crap and end up spending more to find a good quality part.

[69NovaSS]

This type of thread is one of my pet peeves...were all supposed to be adults here. We all agreed to a set of rules...we all know when we are posting something that is questionable...so then we should NEVER be caught off guard when a thread disappears...You know why it went poof...why start another thread asking why it went poof when you should already know why...these types of threads serve no useful purpose other then to keep the pot stirring and to whine some more...:mad:

[the FLYER]

(whining) but i don't WANNA do the dishes :eek: :eek: :eek:

[XINLOI44]

Darn it Jeff.....here I go again. I agree that if NO names are mentioned...leave it alone. I did edit it shortly after the thread was started. I don't know what happened since, I had checked it a couple of times and it was cool. Good info for the members. Like I said, no idea who/why it got deleted.


Don

[the FLYER]

i deleted it !!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[69NovaSS]

i deleted it !!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

instigator:D

[the FLYER]

WHO MEEE !!???


Naw, why i'd Never !!! :D

[NIGHTSHADE]

Darn it Jeff.....here I go again. I agree that if NO names are mentioned...leave it alone. I did edit it shortly after the thread was started. I don't know what happened since, I had checked it a couple of times and it was cool. Good info for the members. Like I said, no idea who/why it got deleted.


Don

Yup, I saw when you edited Don and thought that was all it needed also. And since then the name of the place was not mentioned, but it was hinted at in one post.

BTW agreeing with me is not good for anyone else's image or mine so KNOCK IT OFF!!!!!!!!!

[the FLYER]

I agree :D

[FunkyNova66]

Let's start a vendor bashing forum.:D Let NIGHTSHADE moderate it.:D I think vendor bashing is good for the industry. Keeps the companies that produce and sell garbage from getting away with it IMO. No need to keep the customers-->:shh: If message forums got in trouble for vendor bashing then every website on the internet would be closed down. There is no law against product feedback that I am aware of.

[mrrepodude]

I REPO'd the darn thing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! want it back???? toooooooooooo bad:D

[NIGHTSHADE]

Let's start a vendor bashing forum.:D Let NIGHTSHADE moderate it.:D I think vendor bashing is good for the industry. Keeps the companies that produce and sell garbage from getting away with it IMO. No need to keep the customers-->:shh: If message forums got in trouble for vendor bashing then every website on the internet would be closed down. There is no law against product feedback that I am aware of.

There is another member who thought the same, so he started a forum dedicated to Vendor "feedback".

Skymer is his user name (if I spellt it right) there is a link in his signature.

[skrymir]

Its funny how selective this board is. The BUMPERS & GRILLS bash has been up forever. That one seems like bashing to me. Its probably totally justified, but it still is an exception to the policy.

Hey, if you have good or bad comments about any vendor or product, check out my forums. I wont delete a thread unless I can prove that someone is not telling the truth. But I do want some good feedback for sellers.

http://www.skrymirweb.com/forum/

[72GreenRally]

Skymer is his user name (if I spellt it right) there is a link in his signature.

Jeff, just like all your other "spellings" ya spellt it wrong!!!

It is skrymir.

Before I say anything else, let me make it totally clear that I don not agree with anything that Jeff says, thinks, may have said, or may think of saying!!!

Now, that is outta the way.

I think that outright vendor bashing should not be allowed, or ever allowed. What would be the equivelent to general "bad mouthing", has no useful place.

However, there are some instances where it would save some folks money, and headaches if they could ask a question about "A Company", and get both good and bad feedback.

Allowing the discussion of bad experiences is a decision to made by the Admin, and this is something that the moderators can present to him.

If the Admin decides to allow discussion of bad experiences, I do not think he will allow outright bashing to go along with it.

That will mean that if would be allowed to say:
"I bought a widget from XYZ company, and I am having trouble with the way it fits"

However you would not be allowed to say:
"I bought a widget from XYZ company, and it sucks!!! They suck!!!!"

I am not in any way guaranteeing the Admin will change the rule, I am simply stating that it can be presented to him.

[chuckha62]

I agree that there is a fine line between good, useable information and bashing. It should be a judgment call as to when it crosses the line, not a "zero tolerance" policy, as we see so often in life. I know I appreciated the perspective from the other side of the fence. More than anything though, I would have liked the thread to be around long enough to see the member's issue resolved, as his concern seemed legitimate. If nothing else, we were giving ideas on how to resolve the problem.

I suppose the exercise of judgment is why the mods. make the big bucks!

[FunkyNova66]

OK...I can agree with this. I think the whole point is to help others on this board and by not being allowed to share fitment problems or customer service problems from XYZ company is preventing us nova enthusiast from helping one another. Remember....steves is known worldwide for NPHNP.:D

I can see where bashing could get out of hand.

[72GreenRally]

I suppose the exercise of judgment is why the mods. make the big bucks!

:confused: :confused:
I'm still waiting on a paycheck! We volunteer for the job, pro bono.

[NIGHTSHADE]

We volunteer for the job, pro bono.

Is this the oldest profession?

[72GreenRally]

Is this the oldest profession?

No, that would be a slightly different order of the words.;)

[NIGHTSHADE]

OH! Thats right, they get paid!!!!!!

[chuckha62]

OH! Thats right, they get paid!!!!!!
...then you're all gettin screwed! :eek: ;) :D

[TerryT]

You know why it went poof...why start another thread asking why it went poof when you should already know why...these types of threads serve no useful purpose other then to keep the pot stirring and to whine some more...:mad:
I dont know why it poofed out. I was reading it at the time and was in the middle of submitting a response,and the thread was gonzo. At that point I didnt see any reason to delete it. I edited when I was asked before.

Oh! I'm whining! I have a legitimate problem with a product that cost $400, and I'm not supposed to be upset? I'm sure you'd be jumping with joy after you ripped your car apart to see the parts you are replacing aren't correct!
I dont know how you see no purpose in the thread showing cons of a product. It just might save someone money and aggrevation if they read it and use thier own judgement.

And as to bashing, whats wrong with truthful statements with pictures that show the problems? There's problems, and people should be allowed to be aware of them. If a problem does exist and its not just someone badmouthing ,whats wrong with that ? Maybe the rules should say no vendor praising, also. What if the BBB said ,no company bashing? They wouldn't be very helpful, would they?

[72GreenRally]

I offered a potential solution, and am waiting for some feedback, but all I get is...




the sound of crickets??????

[69NovaSS]

I dont know why it poofed out.

ummmm...ok...:rolleyes:



And as to bashing, whats wrong with truthful statements with pictures that show the problems? There's problems, and people should be allowed to be aware of them. If a problem does exist and its not just someone badmouthing ,whats wrong with that ? Maybe the rules should say no vendor praising, also. What if the BBB said ,no company bashing? They wouldn't be very helpful, would they?

Whats wrong with bashing is that the OWNER of the site has said we will NOT do so here...you yourself agreed to that when you became a member. IF you were not prepared to follow the rules then why did you agree to them?

There are many sites on the net that allow bashing..this is not one of them..if you feel a deep down need to continue with this topic then maybe Steve's is not the place for you and you should think about joining one of the other sites that allow bashing...I suspect you will be happier in the end:)

[taz3]

I agree with the fact that we should share items that present fitment,safety or quality issues,but it does get rude from time to time & the easiest way is to draw a line and don't cross it.When there is a gray area in place members will then say,"your picking in me!"or"Why am I being singled out" so in defence of the site black & white is easier to moderate.With that said maybe we need to open a section that will discuss how company A's product will fit or work better then company B's product,but again who's offerring to be the Mod?Only Nightshades hand is showing.

I do not agree to vender bashing here cause it can hurt the integrity of the site too!That does need to be kept in mind.

[SuperSport]

I dont know why it poofed out. I was reading it at the time and was in the middle of submitting a response,and the thread was gonzo. At that point I didnt see any reason to delete it. I edited when I was asked before.

Oh! I'm whining! I have a legitimate problem with a product that cost $400, and I'm not supposed to be upset? I'm sure you'd be jumping with joy after you ripped your car apart to see the parts you are replacing aren't correct!
I dont know how you see no purpose in the thread showing cons of a product. It just might save someone money and aggrevation if they read it and use thier own judgement.

And as to bashing, whats wrong with truthful statements with pictures that show the problems? There's problems, and people should be allowed to be aware of them. If a problem does exist and its not just someone badmouthing ,whats wrong with that ? Maybe the rules should say no vendor praising, also. What if the BBB said ,no company bashing? They wouldn't be very helpful, would they?
I for one do not blame you for being upset and ranting. Now, that you have brought up the defects of this "widget" members here can think about if they want the product or not. I am sure you are not the first person with this product or the products company who feels they have been sold a defective part. It makes sense that if you can't bash then don't praise. People might think the product is perfect.

[1965proSTREET]

i think if we can talk about how good a product is, then we should be able to discuss problems concerns, etc that we've had with a 'widget'...
whats the difference in vendor bashing and little johnny bashing, or female bashing? those other things go on here....
i'd be all for a pros/cons forum on products...as long as its moderated so that saying this sucks or whatever is kept out and instead use phrasings such as, i am not happy with the fit/performance/etc. of this product...

[DANNO]

There is a difference in saying, "I can't get the nut to fit. Did anyone else have this problem and what did you do about it?" Perhaps a poll would help.

And saying, "The nut didn't fit and this ***!*** company ABC won't deal with me!"

A statement like that often demonstrates the attitude that the poster probably presented to the company when calling. A mature inquiry usually gets better results. If not, find out here if others are having the same problem and present it to the company as a group. Setting up a whinefest here just doesn't solve anything.

Because of threads like this one (and it's not the only one!), I have asked Steve to release me as a moderator. I'm tired of the juvenile, whining attitude that has become more prevalent here lately. I no longer care to deal with it. I'll still be here and still make "suggestions" such as this. I just hope that a little more maturity prevails.

[1965proSTREET]

There is a difference in saying, "I can't get the nut to fit. Did anyone else have this problem and what did you do about it?" Perhaps a poll would help.

And saying, "The nut didn't fit and this ***!*** company ABC won't deal with me!"

i agree danno...i guess theres a difference in bashing and constructive criticism...is the latter frowned upon as well? i am not sure ( i havent posted many bashing threads, just read a few)

[69NovaSS]

I just hope that a little more maturity prevails.

not a chance in heck that is going to happen...:(

[klean63]

Why's the thread back now. :eek:
It's kinda like the energizer bunny, it just keeps going and going.................. :rolleyes: :D :D




















Just trying to see if I can stir the pot a little.:D :D

[Joe]

What Pisses me off is when a Vendor,No Names Here,does not stand behind what they sell.So,I would do more Vendor Bashing than Manufacturer Bashing. .If I have a issue with a Vendor,I do not bring it here,I take it to them.

[rodent]

It sucks. but rules is rules :(

http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/beatdeadhorse5.gif

[novanutcase]

it was funny the problem was that the comments turned it into a politcal post.:

Really???? It was gone so fast I didn't even get a chance to see the comments after I posted it!

Sometimes a joke is just a joke no matter who its about and it would be nice if some of our members would learn to leave the politics at home...:mad:

I TOTALLY agree! The site is for Carnuts, and in particular, Carnuts into Novas! This is not the place for political agendas or soapboxing on this site!

John

[65-SD]

Because of threads like this one (and it's not the only one!), I have asked Steve to release me as a moderator. I'm tired of the juvenile, whining attitude that has become more prevalent here lately. I no longer care to deal with it. I'll still be here and still make "suggestions" such as this. I just hope that a little more maturity prevails.

I agree with you. Sorry to see you quit as moderator. But, some times enough is enough.

[novanutcase]

I agree with you. Sorry to see you quit as moderator. But, some times enough is enough.

I will politely disagree with you on this as I saw TerryT's original thread as a legitimate post even though some of it crept into a whinefest. When you're frustrated because you expect a part to work you tend to do that! Yes, maybe some restraint on his part could have been exercised but on a whole I felt the meat of the thread had more to offer the members aside from the whine that may have ensued.

Danno, I'm sorry that you are fed up and you will be missed as moderator! You did a stellar job although I will say that I think you're overreacting a bit! Of course, I am not in your shoes so since I haven't had to deal with whiners on a consistent basis I will respect your wishes and say Good Luck and Job Well Done!!!:)

John

[TerryT]

There is a difference in saying, "I can't get the nut to fit. Did anyone else have this problem and what did you do about it?" Perhaps a poll would help.

And saying, "The nut didn't fit and this ***!*** company ABC won't deal with me!"

A statement like that often demonstrates the attitude that the poster probably presented to the company when calling. A mature inquiry usually gets better results. If not, find out here if others are having the same problem and present it to the company as a group. Setting up a whinefest here just doesn't solve anything.

Because of threads like this one (and it's not the only one!), I have asked Steve to release me as a moderator. I'm tired of the juvenile, whining attitude that has become more prevalent here lately. I no longer care to deal with it. I'll still be here and still make "suggestions" such as this. I just hope that a little more maturity prevails..

Now you are putting words in my mouth! I DID handle it maturely with the company. You weren't there and have no idea of how we talked! There was no screaming and cuttinng down his product. I didnt raise my voice and whatever else you THINK, I PROBABLY did. Initially I informed him that some bolts and nuts had to be replaced, and maybe he should check with the supplier to make sure he was sending the right bolts and nuts for the balljoint. End of that conversation, There was no "I want my money back",or anything such. Later I had the short bolt problem, and called again,maturely.Then later, about the balljoint stripping as it was just starting to tighten. All were discussed maturely between the 2 of us. And because of me acting this way with him, w/o your advice btw, He is sending me new parts. We talked this evening and said they have a feeling the supplier was sending out 2 different size bolts in the kits, and are in the process of correcting this problem so it doesnt happen again. So apparently, my
" juvenile whining", as you say, will prevent headaches and potential accidents from happening. Sorry this thread was such a bother to you. Others will find it helpful.
BTW,Sounds like you are doing a little whining yourself.

[SuperSport]

So apparently, my
" juvenile whining", as you say, will prevent headaches and potential accidents from happening. Sorry this thread was such a bother to you. Others will find it helpful.
BTW,Sounds like you are doing a little whining yourself.
Thank you for informing us Terry and thanks for making an effort to correct the matter so no Nova owners get a bad product.

[Joe]

Thank you for informing us Terry and thanks for making an effort to correct the matter so no Nova owners get a bad product.

The Thread was Deleted,Is that not Thanks Enough?

[DANNO]

.

Now you are putting words in my mouth!

Not really. That's why I said, "often demonstrates the attitude". Even though it was posted in your thread, it was meant as a general comment. What your thread had turned into just made me tired. I choose not to deal with it any longer. Yes, there was good info there, but it was buried. And yes, I probabaly am whining about the whiners. But as I said, I'm tired.

[TerryT]

You guys know Mario? Joe just made the, "deleted thread is thanks enough," comment ,saying it was directed to Mario. And quickly deleted it. Hmmm...interesting

[DANNO]

You guys know Mario? Joe just made the, "deleted thread is thanks enough," comment ,saying it was directed to Mario. And quickly deleted it. Hmmm...interesting

Not that it's any of YOUR business, but I deleted my comment and Joe's reply. I was not aware it was a joke. Therefore, neither comment added to the thread (but neither do a lot of them). It's a molehill, not a mountain.

[OB_67_Nova]

I would say something here but it would probably get deleted. Oh what the heck.
Why are vendors who sell bad product so revered here. I would love to know about bad products that cost me money and time.
How else are we going to become informed consumers.
The vendor can always come in here and defend themselves.
My nickels worth.

[Racinfan83]

I guess I got into this one a little late - but here is my opinion. Keep in mind I didn't get to read the original thread.
I think that in order for us to get the information we need about any of the millions of products or services out there - there needs to be a "product review" section on here where people can go to share their experiences, good and bad, with named products and vendors. I agree that " this product s----, That guy was an a---- to deal with, etc is not what we want to read. But - I see no problem with a mature discussion about what problems or issues you have or had with a product or vendor. I don't personally want to pay good money for something that other members have had lots of problems with. Let's hear the debate - good and bad - and make our own mature decisions whether we want to deal with that product or vendor.

I love this forum - and I like the fact that it isn't a "free for all". I appreciate the Mods spending their time for free to keep it a good site. But - I think that this bears discussion among the "upper management" of this site, and that sometimes a thread gets canned when in fact it could just have some lines or posts edited out....IMHO.....:)

[SuperSport]

I think that is a great idea Racing Fan. As long as no offensive words are used I don't see how anyone would not like to see a section as you described.

[Racinfan83]

Thanks!
I would love to have a section where I could go and ask "I am looking at buying xyz shifter, any comments good or bad from those of you who have one??
Something like that......

[TerryT]

That wont happen. They wont allow neg comments about vendor friends' products. The pos. remarks sell products. And sites like these are advertisements.

[novanutcase]

That wont happen. They wont allow neg comments about vendor friends' products. The pos. remarks sell products. And sites like these are advertisements.

C'mon Terry! That's not fair! You're hurt by the fact that Danno doesn't want to hear, what he feels. is whining from you! No need to start being sarcastic and nasty about it! Maybe this is what Danno is talking about and is tired of having to moderate? Be civil! That's all he and all of us here want!

John

[Joe]

You guys know Mario? Joe just made the, "deleted thread is thanks enough," comment ,saying it was directed to Mario. And quickly deleted it. Hmmm...interesting

Terry,My Comment was a Joke following Mario's post.Not really directed at anything.The Other Post that Danno Deleted was directed at him,he once told Me where the Door was.As you can see,some things are deleted simply because it can be done.Leads to Stale Boring reading on the Best Nova Site.Glad I know all I need to know about a Nova if this is as Good as it gets.My post was not directed at you,as I think it is Great that you posted your findings.NOTHING I POSTED IN THIS THREAD SHOULD HAVE BEEN DELETED.You Can Delete My Posts,Even Ban Me,But I dont Care.

[admin]

Hey,
Site rules are site rules... I set the policy and you have already agreed to follow them when you registered to be a user here. If you didn’t agree, you should not have clicked the agree button during the registration process, to accept that you would follow the site policy.

Again, you've agreed to the policies that I have set here, so stay within these guidelines and all will be well. If you are in doubt of what is right or wrong, error on the site of caution and consider that it’s wrong and do not post it.

Now, in saying all that I don't agree with this policy 100% either, but I have sided with caution. Problems that people my have with part could be a number of things, to name a few it could be the part, but it could also be the installer not installing the part correctly. Inexperience is probably a big part of this too, on the seller but also on the purchaser. But no one wants to admit that they’re wrong. So, when a mistake is made they’ve got to blame the only other person, and in most cases the company that sold them the part.

So, without hearing both sides of the story (because there is always two sides to every story) I don't allow vendor bashing on the site. Venting on the site isn’t going to get your issue fixed, you need to contact the vendor. Venting on the internet is contagious and will always go bad, this is another reason I do not allow it.

Some posts are allowed that appear to be vendor bashing, but if you read them they are not. The moderators have an extremely difficult job here, and to sustain the same standard across all forums on the site may cause problems at time. Come on lay off the moderators because it’s not their fault the policy is set, they are only enforcing the policy.

If you want to bash someone because of the policy that I’ve laid down, you can look no further then me. After that, (but probably before) you should look in the mirror because you agreed to the site policy which is how you have been allow to post here. For the time being, if you do not agree with the policy there are tons of other boards on the net that would love to hear what you have to say.

We have a great family here and if you would like to be part of it we would love to have you, but you may want to re-read, and in some cases read the site rules under the FAQ.

Cheers…