Takin' a Stance

Trying to get things ready to order the rear suspension, so mocking some wheels up to get the width needed. Also playing around with height. Will have around 5-6" of travel with the air, So I am thinking somewhere around this height as normal ride height. This way I figured it can be bumped up a bit and dropped more. First time I have messed with this type of thing, so looking for feedback with others who have been through this step already.
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Where did you get your car cart and are you happy with it? Thanks Steve

Where did you get your car cart and are you happy with it? Thanks Steve

I made it. Mounts in front where the frame rail and subframe connectors bolt on, then where connectors bolt to leaf spring pockets, and in the back through the mounts I used on my rotisserie,which attach to the shackles

Really just look for clearance around the wheel. and then get your width for your rearend. so you can get backspacing right.

How's the driveshaft clearance? With a stock driveshaft tunnel, that may determine your driving height. Next is the transmission pan height and/or header ground clearance. Do you have any pictures of 66/67 cars with air bags? At ride height and dropped? You may be able to use your computer to enlarge the area of the rear wheels and figure out their heights by scaling the distance by known tire diameter or some other point of reference.

It looks awesome Brettzer. I can't wait to see it with the front suspension. How high off the ground will it be? I had to raise my trans tunnel some and my car doesn't look like it sits as low as yours does.

I have that same jack. Wait till that cars in the weeds and you want to get it under the crossmember...:D

Brett, I know that you minitubbed, so did I. With my rear shockwaves lowered all the way, the rear tub lip (closest to the rear bumper) on the pass side hit my 27" tall tire. At ride height - no problem. But, that seemed to be the closest point of contact. Also, if you plan on cruising show-grounds with the car lowered, make sure that your front wheel/tire combo allows turning clearence.

How's the driveshaft clearance? With a stock driveshaft tunnel, that may determine your driving height.

Shane,that's something I hadn't thought about. These are the kinds of things I hoped to hear from this post. Also, thanks for the other suggestions. Good idea for reference

It looks awesome Brettzer. I can't wait to see it with the front suspension. How high off the ground will it be?
Thanks! I cant wait to see the front on too, that means it will roll! Not sure on lowest dropped point. I am finding out more things will dictate that than i originally thought. I have had the tires tuck up before to where the rockers were about 3" off the ground and they didn't interfere. But that's without any drivertrain.

I have that same jack. Wait till that cars in the weeds and you want to get it under the crossmember...

ha ha ha...I know what ya mean. I have a super low profile racing jack for that

Brett, I know that you minitubbed, so did I. With my rear shockwaves lowered all the way, the rear tub lip (closest to the rear bumper) on the pass side hit my 27" tall tire
Thanks Fast. I am sure I'll be asking you more questions on the air ride later.
Makes sense since the driver side tub is a lot longer. Tire I plan to run is 26" tall

Hey Shane??

Will dropping BRETZZERS car that much also affect pinion angle?

John

I think Brett's going air ride which likely means a four link or bar. With either setup the pinion angle is set and the bar locators are welded to the rear end. The pinion angle shouldn't change enough to be a concern in the driving level hieght and even at a lowered height. At the lowered height he couldn't go too fast because of virtually no turning radius and the possibility of bottoming some part(s) of the car. If it's a combination of bag and spring a wedge may be needed to correct the pinion angle. If it's dearched springs and lowering blocks then the lowering blocks may have a wedge to them to correct the pinion angle. Dropping your car would have no effect on pinion angle if you had Shockwaves instead of coilovers.

This is the rear setup, but with Shockwave 7000's
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Ah yes, I remember now. You may see the tires move inwards slightly as the car is slammed because of the relatively short links. You certainly don't have to be concerned with pinion angle as the suspension moves up and down. Very nice unit. Reminds me of a Jag unit with the brakes but I think it's a F*rd gear housing. It'd be nice to not run the stock tank so that the rearend can be seen from behind. Hotrodgary ran a fuel tank below the parcel tray on his car. That may have been where you planned the air management system.

Yes, Ford 9" center section. Well ya know Ford wonds Jag.:p
Yes, would be nice to not have the tank covering part of it up. The parcel tray is where I planned the air management system. Will have to see how much tank hides. Might take on more fab work :eek:

I mounted my pump above the driver's side tub and the solenoid valves on the top of the other tub. They are fastened to an aluminum plate and the plate is bolted to the car. You can't even see them unless you bend down enough to look up into that cavity. I'm using a tank below the parcel tray but mounted at the top so I can put things below it on the trunk floor below the parcel tray. They make a variety of tank sizes and shapes. They make a pancake tank that could be mounted sideways up against a quarter panel(not on it). It wouldn't interfer with the trunk space very much. This would give you room for a tank below the parcel tray.

Shane,
As usual, thanks for the help and clever ideas. Seeing the top notch job on your 65 first hand @ Carlisle, I definitely store the things you say for future reference.

Glad to offer some info anytime. Whether they're helpfull to your car or not, maybe someone else can see a use on their car. By mounting the tank in the trunk, you can shave the gas filler for a simple, clean look and the exhaust can cross directly under the center section of the rear and not have to make a big bends to get around the stock fuel tank. In fact the exhaust can exit side by side under the licence plate(typically not do-able). Your fuel temperature will be cooler then all the underbody heat from the engine, exhaust and road temps. A lot of bonuses. Check out hotrodgary's pictures of his trunk. You wouldn't even realize there was a fuel tank in the trunk. Nice work Gary.

Have you seen the rearends built by concours west industries???
They are 6 miles from me and a very nice piece.

Have you seen the rearends built by concours west industries???
They are 6 miles from me and a very nice piece.

Just looked at them. Pretty much a twin from what I can see. Some minor positives of each unit that offset each other . That one is probably $1500 -2000 more though. That's a big chunk difference.
Thanks for the option. I dIdn't have a whole lot of time to really check it out closer. I will do that later on.