The 406 Stroker ride

[steelrat]

Wow, I had the pleasure and the good fortune to take a ride in 68SSGrandpa's car last night. This car is amazing! It is so solid, tight, it bristles in anticipation of the launch. When in a safe quiet spot Pat unleashead the beast. The force of being pushed back into my seat and compression on my chest was intense, accompanied with the scream of the motor and the rock solid 5 speed hammering from gear to gear. I can tell you if I smoked, after that ride I was ready to roll over and light one up :) The next best part was Pat took my better half out and, well.... after her ride the seeds our 70 Nova's future have been planted. :D I then babbled on for the rest of the night with my wish list for our ride. All in time.

Thanks so much Pat

[68SSGrandpa]

You guys are welcome, as it's always a pleasure, and fun, driving my car. Now you know why I plate, and insure the " beast" year round, cause I just can't get enough of the thrill.
Way better than any PNE / Exibition ride:D

The point of the ride is to help you pick the right parts the first time, supension/brakes, and power to weight ratio.

Balance is the key.

[strtlegal]

grandpa, what kind of master cylinder are you running..i want to convert to a manual m/c i was looking at a wilwood tandum..i have 12 front rotors. whats your opinion

[68SSGrandpa]

I am running a corvette unit, chrome job, but don't like the chrome. Here is a link to it, its the one mid page to the right, deep plunger, manual, 1" bore. www.hotrodsusa.com/store/mastercylinders.html
I also run a pro valve, made by SSBC, but just may change it over to a Wilwood that I have sitting in the garage. I have not heard much about the "W" master, and what I have is not worth putting to print, as I don't bash stuff.
I was thinking of flopping the chrome one out for the New billet alum SSBC unit, but the old heavy chrome one works so darn well, and from my understanding the aluminium ones flex, after all you do have 1,200 to 1,500 PSI in some of those puppies.
With 4 corner disk all from SSBC I am managing 60MPH to zero in about 115 feet. I measured a few stops as little as 108 feet, but on average I do 115 to 120, no lock up at all. Considering my Infinity G35 coupe does the same in 128 feet, and is rated one of the top 3 braking machines around, I think I am doing pretty good with my manual brakes.
The tires have a lot to do with braking, and I run BFG G-Force KDW, darn sticky. Also, I run braided Stainless lines at all 4 corners, and 100% stainless lines, very tight, no flex at all.
One of my riders had the opportunity to feel us stopping from 140+ MPH, and within a few minuets again, and again. Manual brakes to me have some advantages, if you lock up the brakes at highway speed and kill the motor, you still have brakes, you can run a nice big fat cam, and then who cares about vac.
Alone in the car, I have run some pretty brutal tests, and I am pleased with the stoping power.
My personal opinion on aluminium masters is still a little open for convincing, but with those pressures it makes me think I like the heavy cast piece, unless the car is show, and no go.

PS: I see you are running the Brodix RR 200 heads, same as mine. I now have 20,000 street miles on mine, and just love them, TQ and HP monsters.
I make more TQ at the rear wheels at 6,600 than a Z06 Corvette makes at peak at its flywheel.

[littledeuce2]

Ahhhh Pat I see you hooked another one eh?!!!!!:eek: :cool: Now ya understand my brain feeling Steelrat?!!! Strtlegal, Pat has done more than his research on the parts that work and match. After picking his brain on numerous occasions, I've found he pretty much knows what he's talking about. Drove the car and rode along too, It is so well put together.

[strtlegal]

thanks grandpa...thats what i was looking for..the brodix heads are very nice..i will put those on my stroker motor in the next year..

i like the looks of the satin finish wilwood tandum, but if youve actually experinced the deep bore one, ill probably go with that. but not in a chrome finish..lol

thanks again!

[FunkyNova66]

I'm sure Gramps car hauls the mail quite nicely lol!:D :eek: Full roller if I'm not mistaken, right gramps?:)

Anyways...Pat has a beautiful ride and I'm glad he had the pleasure to let you two experience it. Let us know what you decide to build.:D

[steelrat]

You got it littledeuce2. Nothing speaks volumes like experience. I have already been tapping into Pat's knowledge. I am clearly hearing sound plannig and quality parts for long term enjoyment and real measureable performance. I estimated our Nova would be a 5 year project to get it where we want. If it takes longer due to the need for more $, so be it. I am excited about the whole journey down that road.:D


And hey can't go too wrong with a Grandpa's advice ;)
Cheers

[68SSGrandpa]

[QUOTE=FunkyNova66;361704]I'm sure Gramps car hauls the mail quite nicely lol!:D :eek: Full roller if I'm not mistaken, right gramps?:)

Yup, full roller, internal balance to zero grams, 406 with a 5.7 rod. Harder to internal balance than the 6" rod, but it gives me what I wanted for the street, more piston above the oil ring.

I rev limit it low, at 6,600 because with my gears, tire height etc, the math at the 6,600 shift pulls me down exactly to my peak TQ in the bottom 4 gears, so 6,600 is the sweet spot for shiftin the mouse for " in town drivin".
Custom cut Billet solid roller Isky cam,244in/250ex .618"in/.608"ex, RedZone pressurized roller lifters, Isky billit rev kit( they come in 3 variations), tripple Isky tool room springs 235lbs seat 585lbs open pressure. Titanium retainers, and Isky super 7 locks, 1.6 Crain Gold roller rockers, large stud, with guide plates, and very HD pushrods.
Forged 4340 crank big radius filet, 4340 H-Beams, Probe Ulta lite Forged 2816 pistons, full floating pins, dual spiral locks, 7qt kick pan, Moroso HV pump, windage screen, no scraper, as I like some extra fling oil with a solid roller, 1 7/8" Hooker Super Comps, flowmaster 40's, and the list goes on.

Mild street tune that the riders had was with thick Castrol 20/50 weight oil, full load of 7 qts and 35 degree's timing, made to run airconditioning, and just plain street friendly tune.

I can ramp it up in less than an hour to aprox 560HP and 550TQ with jetting/timing, oil change to 10/30 RedLine(short fill 5 qts), and a few gallons of 110 octane added to the gas. Then it loves 38 degree's, and turns into a real screamer:nascar: .
Billet MSD mechanical Dist. 12 initial, all in at 2,400, MSD 6AL, 8.5MM wires lites the street fire on 94 octane pump gas.
Averages 25MPG highway( air on ), but in the city, depending on how many cars need a lesson, the Patrick James built 950 Holley XE only manages 6-7 mpg.

There are 3 Vipers, and a new Corvette LS7, that now avoid me on the street, so to make a short story of this, which I tend not to do,
"yes its a full roller":D .
In the last 2 weeks I have driven the car, 1,200 street miles, rev's like a 302 zapper, but with 104 more cubes.

[Nova Bob]

in a word,,,,,WOW! nice motor,you got that thing dialed nicely,good job of kicking tail too!