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: Car Show Judging, What constitutes "STOCK"


reo78rally
31st-July-2006, 02:43 AM
I just got back from a car show, and lost out to a Chevelle that was clearly not "STOCK".
Engine bay looked pretty close, Keystone wheels, diamond tuck velour seats, matching diamond tuck velour door panels. YUCK YUCK YUCK.. sorry if you like them but i don't. :)
Is there any standard that could be kept to?
I mean, in a car show, is there a percentage of stock that a car must keep?
Like do different wheels take off 5% or different interior take off 10%.
I know its hard to find repro parts. haha..
Just frustrated, I've tried to keep my 4th gen as stock as possible, but it doesn't seem to mean much.
Rich

Greg McMillan
31st-July-2006, 08:23 AM
Most local car shows are a popularity contest. The term stock doesn't mean much. I have a 65 SS that I restored to the 9's as stock as I could make it. That is important in the AACA (Antique Automobile Club of America) shows. They require that the car be all original. There difinition means anything that was originally available for that model car, new. In my case I left the original 194 6-cyl because it is numbers matching. However even in the AACA stock class I could install a correct 283 or 327 into my car and it would be acceptable even though it doesn't match the serial number. If you are truely interested in restoration AACA may be a good club to look into. It is mostly older cars although they have added classes for muscle cars now. Their judging is based on points, not popularity. There requirements are demanding though in terms of the cars to be judged. They do mean STOCK!

Cementshoes
3rd-August-2006, 12:02 AM
If you want a comprehensive guide to what is "stock", check out an NCRS (the Corvette guys) judging manual. In certain cases, the wrong type of hose clamp is not stock. Although it may seem extreme to some, it seems to be a successful way to measure a vehicles "stock"-ness, where stock means "as delivered from the factory."
As mentioned, the AACA also has a strict code of what is stock.

71SS454
3rd-August-2006, 12:22 AM
Unfortunately at local car shows, it's not how nice your car is, it's who's judging and how well do they know/like you. My folks have a 92 Camaro RS that was in the late model stock class. It's 100% untouched 25,000 mile original. It lose to a Ford Escort that was entered in the stock class. The escort had aftermarket wheels and the back seat was removed and a speaker wall with 4 subs was back there. What in the hell is stock about that? When I go to lok at a stock class in a judged show, the old cars better even have skinny bias ply tires and no visible modifications. I wouldn't go so far as demanding original hose clamps, proper valve stem caps, etc., but if a car showed up with them then it better get even more points. Stock is as offered from the factory.

teddisnoke
3rd-August-2006, 02:39 AM
I've like how the Super Chevy judges classify cars for their judging, although the last couple show's I've attended, I think they have changed their scoring system around. I like to classify stock as above stated: off the showroom floor. Car show's are usually put on by club members, who act on behalf as judges for their events. It is clearly subjective, based upon their own feelings as to what is stock.

Greg McMillan
3rd-August-2006, 08:37 AM
Having gone the restoration route for my 65 SS the AACA and NCRS clubs have the purest definitiuons of STOCK. They mean the way the car could have come from the factory. In the ultimate judging for very high level cars, this includes clamps, nuts and bolts, head markings on the bolts, date codes, correct platings, tires, wheel size and options. If you go to the AACA web page you can find a copy of ther Judging manual and it gives most of the criteria. To give a good example of the difference between AACA and a local car show, my 65SS has the auto center console with a fair amount of pitting in it. I have never been able to find a shop that can rechrome it and match the textured finish correctly. You see alot of these that are rechromed and polished. They look great that way, but in AACA judging, I would lose more points by redoing my console incorrectly than just leaving it like it is. The radial tire thing is another big point loss on cars like mine. Our cars are very personal creations for each of us and it is the wide variety of different cars and experience that make the hobby so much fun. If you are into the restoration thing like I am, you need to be rather "anal" about some of those kinds of details. You can't expect most local car show judges to know those details for any type of car and we have all mentioned the type of things that happen. In fact many people think worrying about those details is crazy! I like AACA because a car is judged on it's own merits and my Nova isn't compared to a 1957 Chevy in a popularity contest. I think the NNN show are also good at judging becaure the judges do know the details for the Novas.

onecarnut
3rd-August-2006, 05:57 PM
To a purist in a national meet the word "stock" has much meaning; however
most small car shows will judge your car in any class that you register it in.

In a recent car show, I entered my 68 Chevy II in the stock class. Its been painted back to original colors, interior redone, and retains its original L6 engine and standard transmission, with 24K actual milage.

The stock class winner was a 2006 Pontiac!

A lot of the smaller shows are dropping the classes; using a 100 point system for all cars. Here again, its tough to compete with a "trailer queen."

My recommendation to you is just to enjoy your car. Make any minor changes for appearance and safety, and drive it.

Using my own advise, I am about 90% finished with adding a Vintage Air system and will eventually install a 200-4R to make it more roadworthy.

RatNova71
3rd-August-2006, 07:32 PM
To a purist in a national meet the word "stock" has much meaning; however
most small car shows will judge your car in any class that you register it in.

In a recent car show, I entered my 68 Chevy II in the stock class. Its been painted back to original colors, interior redone, and retains its original L6 engine and standard transmission, with 24K actual milage.

The stock class winner was a 2006 Pontiac!

A lot of the smaller shows are dropping the classes; using a 100 point system for all cars. Here again, its tough to compete with a "trailer queen."

My recommendation to you is just to enjoy your car. Make any minor changes for appearance and safety, and drive it.

Using my own advise, I am about 90% finished with adding a Vintage Air system and will eventually install a 200-4R to make it more roadworthy.

would love to see that car! could you possibly post some pics?

to the original poster, have fun and enjoy your car, don't worry about what a "judge" thinks. Local shows are mainly put on to benefit a charity or fire dept. (at least in my neck of the woods), go to 'em and have a good time. $2 trophies don't mean a thing.

If you are a fanatic, you can go to something like the "Nova Nationals", then you will really find out how your car stacks up.

JMO

Custom Jim
3rd-August-2006, 08:04 PM
OK, who's is driving me nuts ?. I'm getting old and I try and follow things but some person or group of people is not making this easy.

One time I see and read replies in this thread from novaboy009, Nova_Guy, Shane65, Wolfen, novaken, patman, 68cehvyII, DriveWFO, Joe, American Graffiti, NotDadsW41, 2novacars, teddisnoke, MarkM68 and possibly others and now there gone ?

Was the thread going the wrong direction for a moderator or did all of these people delete their replies ?.

Jim

Nova_Guy
3rd-August-2006, 08:09 PM
Was the thread going the wrong direction for a moderator or did all of these people delete their replies ?.
I think there is a second thread on the same topic in another section. On another note you are going crazy, you own more thanone Nova, Right?

NYChevyII
4th-August-2006, 11:23 PM
The Vintage Chevrolet Club of America is a great place to have your restored Nova judged. The judging standard is "as delivered to the customer from the Chevrolet dealer". We have class judging for restored cars and Historical Preservation of Chevrolet Features judging for unrestored cars. We have classes specifically for Chevy II and Nova. Our judging cut-off is 1981 (1982 eligible next year) so all Chevy IIs and Novas are eligible. The classes are Z1 - 1962-1965, Z2 - 1966-1967, Z3 1968-1974, and Z4 1975-1979.

You must be a member to have your car judged at a nationally sanctioned meet.

Both pre-war and post-war cars are well represented in the club.

Classes are set up by model and year. The early cars have classes and the full-size Chevrolets have classes. Corvette, Corvair, Chevy II, Chevelle, Camaro, Monte Carlo, even Vega, Chevette, and Citation have classes. We only have a few Vegas on the books, no Chevettes or Citations yet. Celebrities and Cavaliers are eligible next year.

The nice part is that while the club accepts all Chevrolets, you're not competing against big dollar 1957s or Chevelle Super Sports, as you might at a local show; you're competing against other Chevy IIs. If you want more information on the club go to www.vcca.org. Please send a PM and I'll give you more information as well.