Selling title & such

[vaporloc]

I'am in the process of parting out a 66 Corvair monza. Can you sell the tittle, vin number plate and plate that gives data like color model and such? Is there a way you can post it for sale on ebay and not get into any trouble?

[DANNO]

It's illegal in most states, and, in my opinion, dishonest. If you are parting the car out, it no longer exists as a registerable vehicle.

[vaporloc]

Thanks Danno, that is all I needed to know.

[americangraffiti]

Hey Vaporloc.......sort of like selling a birth certificate :D

[NIGHTSHADE]

Leave the plate attached to the body and let the buyer get in trouble for it.

[the FLYER]

i'd think if the plate's attached to the body... it's still a car and rebuildable...

[trip-l-jax]

It's illegal in most states, and, in my opinion, dishonest. If you are parting the car out, it no longer exists as a registerable vehicle.

It's all about ethics. Sell the whole car.

[DANNO]

i'd think if the plate's attached to the body... it's still a car and rebuildable...
I meant to imply after all had been removed including the ID plates. Yeah, if the plates are still attached, it's still restorable, though it may take a whole pile of parts and money to do it.:D


Dan (maybe replace everything around the tags?):D :D

[vaporloc]

I meant to imply after all had been removed including the ID plates. Yeah, if the plates are still attached, it's still restorable, though it may take a whole pile of parts and money to do it.:D


Dan (maybe replace everything around the tags?):D :D
Well on a corvair, the vin and the data tag are on the engine support weldment located rear of engine. If I just cut that part out of the car as a unit, I could say 66 corvair monza, Needs restored, clear title and just send that piece of body panel.:) What ya think 2K reserve:rolleyes:

[NIGHTSHADE]

Well on a corvair, the vin and the data tag are on the engine support weldment located rear of engine. If I just cut that part out of the car as a unit, I could say 66 corvair monza, Needs restored, clear title and just send that piece of body panel.:) What ya think 2K reserve:rolleyes:


Naw, that would be like cutting the A pillar from a 1st gen and calling it a car. If you need to cut it out, then you shouldn't be selling it. IMO it needs to remain with the car. (To sell it that is). I have the tags and titles from a few 1st gens hanging in my shop. Kinda a personal collection is all. Never plan to sell any of them. All the bodies have been cubed.

[Joe]

Nightshade,
Is it legal for your to have the Vins and Title's to those Salvaged Cars?
Joe

[NIGHTSHADE]

Nightshade,
Is it legal for your to have the Vins and Title's to those Salvaged Cars?
Joe

That I don't know. It's no secret that I have them and they are not for sale in any way shape or form. So if someone wants to try and make a point then more power to them.

As far as I see it, the cars were my property to do with as I wish. The tags are not going to be used (so I say, I guess) to make a stolen car (un-stolen) or to make a salvaged car whole. So I would say NO they are not illegal. But then again, who out there know who I am anyway!!!!:D

[Joe]

NightShade,
I dont think it is Illegal for you to have them.Just wanted your Opinion.
Joe

[DANNO]

If I just cut that part out of the car as a unit, I could say 66 corvair monza, Needs restored, clear title and just send that piece of body panel.:) What ya think 2K reserve:rolleyes:
Hey, I've seen a lot worse on eBay!:D

Dan (Johnny might bid on it);)

[DANNO]

I have the tags and titles from a few 1st gens hanging in my shop. Kinda a personal collection is all.
Hmmmm. Think I'll call the authorities and tell them you are hiding several unregistered cars in your garage.:p


Dan (or inoperable cars):D

[the FLYER]

i think i still have 2 or 3 cowl tags from 55's i scrapped years ago... just hanging on a peg :D

they ain't goin' anywhere...

[72GreenRally]

Hmmmm. Think I'll call the authorities and tell them you are hiding several unregistered cars in your garage.:p


Dan (or inoperable cars):D
Hey Jeff, answer the door, somebody wants to have a chat with you!!!:D

Randy (No officer, I don't know who this DAN character is.):confused: :D

[novafied]

i don't see how you can stop this? how many people buy 2 or more cars to make one good one? if you had a tag with a rare option,wouldn't you use it? its done more often than you think and its easier on older cars because there is no record of vins going back to trace them.some junk yards try to sell rare cars that are to rusted to restore but get big money just for the the tags.look at the hemi ,yenko,copo etc.cars and they start at over 10g's for junkers.here's a good example on ebay.turn your old 6 banger or ss chevelle into a rare l79 money maker.tags and all.who's going to know???http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/65-Chevelle-327-350HP-L79-Engine-12-Bolt-3043-Holley_W0QQitemZ4629930767QQcategoryZ34202QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

[69NovaSS]

Well you might get away with that in the USA but since GM Canada actually does have records for the cars sold new there or built there its a little harder to fake a car there....and it doesnt matter if its done all the time its still unethical and only someone that likes to screw other people would do so....cause that is what you are doing if you take a plane jane car and put a cowl tag or VIN tag off of a highly desirable car on it and then pass it off as real...your screwing someone...:(

[Igosplut]

I've seen this debate rage on for a while now. Years back (80s) I saw a lot of rebodys done on rare cars. The point was, Before these cars were bringing heavy money, the emphasis was on having the best restoration possible. Most wanted a pristine body over having the original that was hacked/patched/rusted, or fixed (and I had the same people tell me my pristine 70 nova SS 396/375 HP original motor/trans/rear/paint/glass car with 39K on it was only worth the sum of it's part because I had no paper work to prove it, other than talking to past owners). And that took precedent (for them) over having as much of the original car as they could. I'm not advocating this stance, but this happened ALOT more than you think. I can think of 1 L-79 Nova, 1 COPO Camaro, 2 COPO Chevelles, at least two ZL-1 camaros (That just the tags were bought) and 1 Z-16 just off the top of my head that were body replacements. And this was just as they were finding the hidden VINs on the 68 and up's so I imagine the COPO stuff somebody took a hit on.

I have a friend that had a sister 375 Nova to mine. He rolled it over in the late 70s and the body was destroyed. He still has the undecked original block, rear end, numbers,most of the parts, all the paperwork, ect. Should he toss the paperwork, and sell the block so somebody else can deck, rebroach, and restamp it, ect? And another who was the original owner of a 67 Chevelle 396/375HP car. He found it in the 80s, bought it back (it had no rust, but was cut up for racing) I think he spent 25K in 1980 money just putting the entire floor from rocker to rocker, Top of firewall to tail lights in from a rustfree donor car and having it straightened and painted (you'd never know, it looks that good) then collected the rest of the parts (the car was stripped). How much of either of these cars carry their original parts? where do you draw the line? And I'm not talking about selling them as anything different than what they are. I know if your buying, and paying top dollar you want to know exactly what your getting, but do you not call it a real SS because the numbers say so, but you replaced the body, or is it really not a 375 HP because there isn't one thing from the original car on the motor, but the papers says so? Interesting argument, Huh??

That being said I still have the numbers and titles from and 350/396 Nova SS, a 69 396 Chevelle SS, 66 Nova SS, and others including a 55 (the VINs fell of a lot). These were cars that were a considered to be junk in the 80s (condition-wise). Why'd I save them? Like most others I threw them in an old cigar box in my garage because it was something to look at down the road. I've had offers to sell a few of them, but never did because I didn't want the hassle down the road of somebody trying to pass them off as something they wern't. But with the prices of these cars now I can imagine somebody having the parts looking for numbers. Hell, I never thought I see the so-called "Clone" market take off like it has. With the price of parts nowadays,, I was thinking of buying a 66 SS Nova clone to cut up figuring it'd be an easy way to get trim and parts to sell off......

[vaporloc]

No I'am not going to sell these on ebay. I asked because I did not know if you could. Danno set me striaght. Anyway I knew of a guy who bought a 66 GTO. He got pulled over in it for speeding. The vin tag looked funny to the police so they impounded the car(at a body shop I worked at). The Pa. state police came down to the car a day or two later. Cut a hole in the trunk with a panel cutter. On the top side of the frame was the original VIN. Yes it was stollen and retaged. The original owner got it back.

[Igosplut]

The Pa. state police came down to the car a day or two later. Cut a hole in the trunk with a panel cutter. On the top side of the frame was the original VIN. Yes it was stollen and retaged. The original owner got it back.

Guess the state police didn't have the finess to use a mirror like the rest of us.

[NIGHTSHADE]

Joe and anyone else who may be interrested. I emailed the MN Deppartment of Motor Vehicles and asked about "Collecting" vins. (Kinda trying to cover my own arse.) This is the reply that I rec'd today.

Thank you for contacting Driver and Vehicle Services,

There is no law written either that you may or may not keep plates as a
collector.

Sincerely,
Casey #24

[NIGHTSHADE]

Also here is a list of what Ebay wont allow:

The following items may not be listed on eBay:

Birth certificates, driver’s licenses or passports. Further, completed applications for such documents containing personal information may not be listed. Expired United States passports that were issued more than 20 years prior to the date of sale will be permitted.

Current vehicle license plates, or plates that claim to resemble such current licenses. Collectible vehicle license plates that are at least 3 years old may be listed. This must be clearly stated within the listing. Government vehicle license plates may not be listed at any time.

Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) Plates, VIN Plate Rivets, Vehicle Titles, Vehicle Title Stock. Vehicle Titles may only be referenced in listings when accompanied by a functioning vehicle.

Any item that is primarily used to alter identification documents, licenses, or plates.

Fake identification cards, or any items that are designed for the manufacturer of such cards.

[vaporloc]

Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) Plates, VIN Plate Rivets, Vehicle Titles, Vehicle Title Stock. Vehicle Titles may only be referenced in listings when accompanied by a functioning vehicle.

I think the key word here is FUNCTIONING .If it was not that for word, I think it could fly. I sure learned alot about titles and VIN #'s from this post. :D

[NIGHTSHADE]

I think "functioning" might be a little over kill. If it were actually like that then Ebay shouldn't have a section for "Parts Cars" since they are normally Non-functional.

[L79Fan]

Interesting conversation! It took me awhile to figure out that alot of the concern was over stolen vehicles. I have a couple of different situations with cars that I own. I have a 1957 Belair that I brought back from California in 1972 when I got out of the Marines. A couple of years later we were stuffing a 427 into it & tapping (can you say BFH?!?) the drivers side of the firewall back to accomodate the back of the big block on that side. After having the engine in & out & oh-so-close to fitting about two-dozen times, the cowl tag finally got knocked off. In those days it meant nothing & eventually just got lost. So the car has the vin tag in the door jamb but no cowl tag. And of course now it would be nice to have it. :(

And on a more serious note - I also own a 1955 2-door post 210 project car. I bought the car without a title with the thought that I could track it down through the DMV. Then I discovered that it does not have the vin tag in the door jamb. It has the cowl tag but not the vin tag. The car comes from a long time friend who is well above suspicion. He took the car years ago as a way to get paid part of an aircraft maintenance bill. We don't know it the tag was stolen over the many years that it was stored outside or if it never was there to begin with. Judging from the look of the door jamb, it probably wasn't taken all that long ago. So what to do to make the car legal now? The car is nothing special to anyone but me (I drove one very similar in High School) & it's a laugher if anyone thinks that I am going to crush the car over it! So there is another side to this issue. So if anyone has any legit ideas please let me know. :confused:

[NIGHTSHADE]

Interesting conversation! It took me awhile to figure out that alot of the concern was over stolen vehicles. I have a couple of different situations with cars that I own. I have a 1957 Belair that I brought back from California in 1972 when I got out of the Marines. A couple of years later we were stuffing a 427 into it & tapping (can you say BFH?!?) the drivers side of the firewall back to accomodate the back of the big block on that side. After having the engine in & out & oh-so-close to fitting about two-dozen times, the cowl tag finally got knocked off. In those days it meant nothing & eventually just got lost. So the car has the vin tag in the door jamb but no cowl tag. And of course now it would be nice to have it. :(
There are places that will re-produce your cowl tag for you.

And on a more serious note - I also own a 1955 2-door post 210 project car. I bought the car without a title with the thought that I could track it down through the DMV. Then I discovered that it does not have the vin tag in the door jamb. It has the cowl tag but not the vin tag. The car comes from a long time friend who is well above suspicion. He took the car years ago as a way to get paid part of an aircraft maintenance bill. We don't know it the tag was stolen over the many years that it was stored outside or if it never was there to begin with. Judging from the look of the door jamb, it probably wasn't taken all that long ago. So what to do to make the car legal now? The car is nothing special to anyone but me (I drove one very similar in High School) & it's a laugher if anyone thinks that I am going to crush the car over it! So there is another side to this issue. So if anyone has any legit ideas please let me know. :confused:

Go to your local Sherriffs dept and get a "New" VIN for the car. They can re-tag it. If it's nothing special (accept to you of course) a cop tag should get it back on the street.

[novagoesvroom]

Anyone with questions about vin tags, cowl tags, can contact their State Police Department. Contacting just the SOS, or DMV might not get you the correct answer. Every state is different and I can not speak for any other state except Michigan.
MCL 750.415 " A person shall not knowingly possess, buy, deliver, or offer to buy, sell, exchange, or give away any manufacturer's vehicle identification number plate, federal safety certification label, antitheft label, ..... rosette rivet.." "4 year felony and/or $10,000 fine"

[NIGHTSHADE]

Anyone with questions about vin tags, cowl tags, can contact their State Police Department. Contacting just the SOS, or DMV might not get you the correct answer. Every state is different and I can not speak for any other state except Michigan.
MCL 750.415 " A person shall not knowingly possess, buy, deliver, or offer to buy, sell, exchange, or give away any manufacturer's vehicle identification number plate, federal safety certification label, antitheft label, ..... rosette rivet.." "4 year felony and/or $10,000 fine"

Good call, so I just stopped in at our local State Patrol headquarters and asked the question. And their answer was, that there is no statuate that pertains to the collecting of VIN plates and titles. You just can't re-use them.

I'm happy, my collection is valid and can remain on the wall. :D

[Joe]

Nightshade,
Interesting Info. and what I expected.I did not ask the Original Question to you thinking it was Illegal to have the Plates.What you wre told by the State Police was what I would expect to Here.To Me the way I read what you were told,I dont believe it is breaking the Law to Sell the Plates.I would think you are not breaking the Law untill you attach the Plate to a Vehicle.
Joe

[the FLYER]

in the late 70's i was a member of a Tri-5 Chevy club... they had a few guys who researched and had made some rivets that would pass for originals... this was right at the time guys started ta peddle cowl tags... a BIG hoopla started about the ethics & morals of selling 'em... guys with 150's taggin' 'em ta be Bel-Airs 'en stuff... i was quite a bit younger and maybe not as wise... for a while, i made quite a killing on 'em... till i was convinced of the reasons NOT to... as a young man, i saw no problems with a guy wanting a Bel-Air, when he had a 150 or a 210.



i always liked the 150's so i had no issues with swapping a plate or two for a guy ta get his Bel-Air....


but this was quite a few years ago....

[Joe]

novagoesvroom,
I just Read what you Pasted.You are right I guess you have to check by State,and I now would believe Selling them would be Breaking the Law.
Joe

[vaporloc]

Alot of good points made. I see no harm in collecting them, Heck people collect alot worse. I really don't see any harm in selling them. The harm is when the buyer puts them on anouther vehicle. There is a title for sale on ebay I saw yesterday. NOT MINE.

[the FLYER]

so what's yer Guys opinions on this... a guy wants ta buy my Rust Bucket... just the cab, with Vin & Title... he wants ta take my cab and stick it on his truck ta get away from the smog laws... he'd have a 73 no smog cab on his 78 smog truck...


legal/ethical

illegal/unethical

[72GreenRally]

so what's yer Guys opinions on this... a guy wants ta buy my Rust Bucket... just the cab, with Vin & Title... he wants ta take my cab and stick it on his truck ta get away from the smog laws... he'd have a 73 no smog cab on his 78 smog truck...


legal/ethical

illegal/unethical
Here's the kicker on that Johnny. The NEWEST part takes precedence for smogging in Ca. So, if the truck ever got checked, the 78 engine would make it a smogger again automatically!! I bet that'd chap his hide!!:D

As far as swapping the cab, vin, title and all to the 78 chasis, it is, IMO somewhat unethical. He may not be doing it to defraud a buyer, but he is still trying to defraud the Ca goverment.

Randy (JMHO though);)

[the FLYER]

COOL !!! i like defrauding the Government :rolleyes: :eek: :eek: :eek:


shame it'd be the State and not the Feds though... if there's trouble ta be had, i like LOADS of it !!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: ;) :D

[DANNO]

so what's yer Guys opinions on this... a guy wants ta buy my Rust Bucket... just the cab, with Vin & Title... he wants ta take my cab and stick it on his truck ta get away from the smog laws... he'd have a 73 no smog cab on his 78 smog truck...


legal/ethical

illegal/unethical
Legally, it is a grey area. It would probably pass inspection if all they look at is the plates. If they look further (depending on the particular state's laws) it might not pass as a 73.

Ethically, it's a no go. It's a sham, a bogus ride made to skirt laws.


Dan (who is just giving his unofficial, personal opinion);)

[the FLYER]

hmmmmmm... so i could Legally sell him the cab. unethically, he'd install the cab and try ta defraud the government... I could do my ethical duty and report his ***** and get him thrown in jail !!! :D :D :D

I'd be a Hero of the EPA and they'd have a parade in my honor or maybe give me a medal !!??? :eek: :D :D :D





he'd LOVE me if i was ta do that... :rolleyes: :D


i'll have ta thinn' on this a bit QweeksDraw ;) :D :D :D

[72GreenRally]

It would probably pass inspection

Inspection??? We don't got no stinkin' inspection!!!!

In Ca, cars built after some year I don't remember anymore (I think 1976) have to have a smog check done on a bi-annual basis. The closest thing to an inspection that is performed is the engine is looked over for the existance of the correct smog equipment. As far as a regular, thorough, safety type inspection, Ca does not do them, or require them.

As long as you pick up the parts that fall off of your car (NO littering!!!) you can drive it in about any mechanical condition you want.

Randy (and there are some SCARY ones out there!!!):eek:

[NIGHTSHADE]

Actually, if you think about it for a minuite. This situation isn't illegal, and ethically speaking it all depends on how you look at it.

I just seperated a 74 Nova into 2 major parts. Front sub and rear clip.

If someone wants to buy just the front sub that is fine.

If someone wants to buy just the rear clip (has the vin plate) then that is just fine.

Selling your cab is legal and ethical. It is a major part of the vehicle with the tags still factory installed, and the title should be going with those tags.

JMHO :o

['74hatchback]

wow. this post really hit home for me as i am currently in a fairly big bind. i always hated hearing about vin number swapping and such on cars. and then i ran into my own ethical situation. last fall my dad and i found a 1956 pontiac safari wagon (looks like a nomad) for sale on the side of the road. body only. no frame/drivetrain, most of the interrior gone, but had all the exterior trim in a box and complete front clip. catch was even though theres no frame, the body was perfect. rust-free, had been media blasted and coated in black sealer. which was o.k. by us because we want to do a complete custom job on it anyways. the guy who was selling it, only had it because it was on a trailer he bought from a storage facility. turns out some guy let his storage fees lag for years and the storage place took ownership of all the items and then re-sold them. unfortunately, because the car had no frame and was technically shell only, they had trouble aquiring title but said rest-assured the property was legally theres to sell. The original owner never fought it and never even tried to keep his stuff. So here we are, my dad's dream car and in just the right condition that we don't have to feel bad chopping up an unrestored original. the body is in such good condition there's no way i would think of parting it out. so i looked into getting it titled some other way and had lots of troubles. then i found i guy who sells "collectable" titles and said he has one that is was originally registered in my state and could sell it to me and set it up so it would be registered in my name. now, morally, i know this is wrong. but more and more, it seams like the only way of ever letting this car see the street again. at times i've been so frustrated that i was ready to just put the whole thing up on ebay but my dad truly loves this body style and it would be so hard to find another one that we could work on.

the way i'm starting to see it, the title i could buy isn't stolen, no body's looking for it, the original car is long gone. and the body i have now is was legally bought and can not be claimed by anybody else. i'm starting to see it as, just one more way of making sure another classic doesn't get sent to the crusher.

maybe i should just say heck with it and make it a drag car and not worry about any of this! haha

[the FLYER]

in California, i believe you can take a car to the Highway Patrol (CHP) and they can put a vin tag on the car... it has ta be a clear vehicle, they'll wanna do whatever checking is to be done... maybe a brief waiting period...

check yer local police,DMV etc etc etc... i bet you can become legal...

[DANNO]

Selling your cab is legal and ethical. It is a major part of the vehicle with the tags still factory installed, and the title should be going with those tags.
Yep, as long as you are rebuilding it as the vehicle indicated by the tags, should be no problem.

The problem with selling tags, paperwork, etc. is that they could be applied to a stolen vehicle to change its identity. ;)

[DANNO]

in California, i believe you can take a car to the Highway Patrol (CHP) and they can put a vin tag on the car... it has ta be a clear vehicle, they'll wanna do whatever checking is to be done... maybe a brief waiting period...

check yer local police,DMV etc etc etc... i bet you can become legal...
I agree. I think all states have some way of legalizing a car built from legally obtained parts.


Dan (also built form legally obtained parts - abby who?):D

[NIGHTSHADE]

Yep, as long as you are rebuilding it as the vehicle indicated by the tags, should be no problem.

The problem with selling tags, paperwork, etc. is that they could be applied to a stolen vehicle to change its identity. ;)

Any time the tags are sold they could be applied to another car. You could be the proud owner of a '63 chevy II convertable in pristine condition and the car is only worth $12,000 but hey find a '63 SS convertable (Parts car) on Ebay and buy it for $400 and now you have the Tags to turn your $12,000 car into a $24,000 car. And that is buying the whole car.

Its not the sellers (Johnny) responsibility to "Police" the buyer of the car as to what they can and can't do with it. You all just gotta do what you want with your cars, but don't post a "woe is me" when you get caught.

[novagoesvroom]

As for your body-only car. It should have a vin tag still attached, therefore you should be able to title the car with that original vin number. If it is gone, use the number on the replacement frame to have a "replacement vin" number plate assigned to the vehicle by your DMV.
If you are using a totally different style of frame, still no problem. You will have an "assembled vehicle" which your DMV can inspect for all the stuff you need, bumpers, lights, ect, then they will assign an "assembled vehicle vin number" to the vehicle and you now have a title. If you go the assembled vehicle route, your car wont be titled as a 1956 anything, it will be a "2006 Assembled Vehicle". I'd avoid the buying of titles, just gets messy. I dont believe there were any hidden vin numbers on your 1956 Pontiac, if so thats how you can identify it and get your own replacement vin tag made by the DMV, and authentic 1956 Ponco title!!

Woody

[vaporloc]

I know it is illegal and all that jazz. It sounds to me to be less hassle to just buy a junker with a clean title. Retag and cut up the junker. I can see that on an older car. I have messed with the state on tittles and such, that is not a pretty thing. It is the land of the lost.:)

['74hatchback]

your car wont be titled as a 1956 anything, it will be a "2006 Assembled Vehicle".
I was thinking of going that route but wouldn't it have to live up to 2006 inspection/smog laws? I need to research it deeper but i was afraid that i'd have to pass ohio's "E-check" since it wouldn't be considered a classic anymore. Which would mean, there goes the pro-streeted big block. With my Nova, i can slap anything i want on it because It's considered historicle(25 years & older). I gotta do my homework on this option.
It sounds to me to be less hassle to just buy a junker with a clean title. Retag and cut up the junker.
as for a junker with clean title, i'd like nothing more, but even a junker '56 pontiac safari wagon seems to be bringing in the big bucks lately. It's like tryin to find a junker '56 Nomad but harder because pontiac made about a 1/4 of the number of the chevy version. Either way, I'm not in too big of a hurry to figure it out. My dad's tied up with other things and my priority is getting my Nova back on the street. Odds are, we're probably not even gonna start on the wagon for another year or two. I'm just glad that a lot of the easier to find nomad parts are interchangable wit the pontiac. It's funny because with a Nova, i know every nut and bolt and have an idea on where to get the best deal on what i need, but with the wagon, i'm like a deer in the headlights. maybe someday i'll know as nuch about th 56 ponti as i do Novas. Not that the Nova won't forever be my favorite hotrod, but someday that wagon will make a mean street machine. (if i don't get fed up and just sell it for nova parts). Haha i was thinking about finding an 82 or earlier chevy S10 and bolting the pontiac body to it. It'd be old enough to not need smog check and i could just title it as the S-10(with a wagon body kit so to speak) haha, but thats another rediculous post waiting to happen.

[patman]

OK, here's another angle to this debate...Goodmark now sells complete bodies for Camaros, and is supposedly about to release a Nova as well.

Say I plunk down the $15K for a new body. How do I get it on the road?

It's like the debate about that Yenko Deuce in northern PA...from all accounts, pretty much every panel on the entire car would have to be replaced due to rust. So how is that different than just moving the cowl tag to another vehicle?

[NIGHTSHADE]

OK, here's another angle to this debate...Goodmark now sells complete bodies for Camaros, and is supposedly about to release a Nova as well.

Say I plunk down the $15K for a new body. How do I get it on the road?

It's like the debate about that Yenko Deuce in northern PA...from all accounts, pretty much every panel on the entire car would have to be replaced due to rust. So how is that different than just moving the cowl tag to another vehicle?

I could only wish that it was goodmark!! Then I'd get one at COST!!! But Alas it's Dynacorn with the whole bodies.

But your point remains the same. Same with Kit cars right?? How do you title a hunk of glass??

Don't know for sure but I think there is some sort of "Street Rod" or "Kit" car type of title.

[L79Fan]

I know it is illegal and all that jazz. It sounds to me to be less hassle to just buy a junker with a clean title. Retag and cut up the junker. I can see that on an older car. I have messed with the state on tittles and such, that is not a pretty thing. It is the land of the lost.:)

Just reading through the last couple of pages since my other post on this subject. Evidently some of you guys have figured out why people started doing this to begin with. But don't shoot the messenger here. I think that the shysters trying to make a car into something that it's not just for the almighty buck are a by-product of the honest people just trying to figure out a way to get a title for their car. Evidently I can't do an "assembled" title for this '55 210 here without the original vin tag on the body itself. If I could find a legit title for it from one that went to the crusher years ago the car could go back on the road with no one getting hurt.

I think that we will be seeing more & more of this situation with these cars. I have seen a lot of cars recently that were evidently parted out for whatever reason. They were either just parts cars years ago or fell victim to an ebay seller because they were worth more for parts than complete. I think that this '55 was probably someone's parts car years ago & someone just thought that it would be neat to take the vin tag. :mad:

[Joe]

Here is a Question that I am getting ready to research but maybe someone here knows the answer.Say you have a Nova that has the VIN in the Dash.You know it is a Clean Car since the VIN under the Heater Cover Matches the Dash.You have to put a Dash in do to Rust.What do you do about the VIN in the Dash?I would hate to Section around it but maybe that would be the way.
Joe

[NIGHTSHADE]

Here is a Question that I am getting ready to research but maybe someone here knows the answer.Say you have a Nova that has the VIN in the Dash.You know it is a Clean Car since the VIN under the Heater Cover Matches the Dash.You have to put a Dash in do to Rust.What do you do about the VIN in the Dash?I would hate to Section around it but maybe that would be the way.
Joe
Sending you a PM.

[vaporloc]

Joe I think that you would have to section around it. To try to get it off and not make it look bogus would be hard, (I THINK).
Also as L79 fan said about getting a title for a 55 chevy. It is a shame some people remove the tag and then not destroy the car the tag was removed from.. But then agian they might have already retaged anouter 55 with those numbers. Maybe the titles and numbers are worth more then the cars anymore. I have probally like the rest of you, bought cars and was promised a title soon as owner could send for a duplicate. Never happened. Stuck with a car that you put tons of work and money into. Next you give up on the person who sold you the car and start looking for a junker so you can have the paper work.

[L79Fan]

Joe I think that you would have to section around it. To try to get it off and not make it look bogus would be hard, (I THINK).
Also as L79 fan said about getting a title for a 55 chevy. It is a shame some people remove the tag and then not destroy the car the tag was removed from.. But then agian they might have already retaged anouter 55 with those numbers. Maybe the titles and numbers are worth more then the cars anymore. I have probally like the rest of you, bought cars and was promised a title soon as owner could send for a duplicate. Never happened. Stuck with a car that you put tons of work and money into. Next you give up on the person who sold you the car and start looking for a junker so you can have the paper work.

If you have the vin tag on the car you should be able to go through that states DMV & get an original title using the original numbers. Even if the seller doesn't want to do their part. If you can prove that you bought the car they will usually issue a title after sending a registered letter to the last listed title holder. Whether that is the same person that you bought it from or someone else. And that is the best way to deal with that situation. If you do not have any numbers on the car it is a bit more of a challenge. I am hoping to find a way to document an existing number on the frame of this '55 if I can figure out where the factory put it. Then I could find out if someone has used the title/vin tag on another car or not.

[Igosplut]

I think that this '55 was probably someone's parts car years ago & someone just thought that it would be neat to take the vin tag.

The early Vin tags were spot-welded on and after 25 yrs in a less than kind climate tended to fall off. I have a tag off a 55 210 that I parted out in the 80's. It fell off in the process of taking the doors off.....