Pypes Performance Exhaust - Two Thumbs up!!!

[John65ss]

Went out to Pypes today for a prototype install of thier new 62-67 Chevy II system. My car was the test mule for the custom bent system they will be introducing in about 2 months. You can see photos and sound clips here:

http://www.pypesexhaust.com/gallery58.html

Some notes:

1. I have Hedman Headers on the car. The drivers side collector on these and Flowtech headers points down, so we used the reducers and lead pipes from my old system. Everything in front of the forward-most band clamp is old. The Pypes kit will not turn up at the headers, so that it can be used with manifolds, JR headers, Hooker headers, or thier own Dougs headers. They want it to be a more universal system.

2. The tailpipes were custom fabricated since this was a prototype system. You can see several pieces welded together. They made the tail pipes for my car and then made and test-fitted a duplicate set that will become the "master" for the one piece mandrel bent pipes. The production parts will not have all of the welds you see on mine.

3. Clearance is very good everywhere. My car has all stock suspension, with 3-leaf espo replacement springs. This should work for all of you guys with stock leaf springs in the stock location.

4. The system is 2.5" and uses thier 14" long street-pro mufflers. Awesome sound, and not at all noisy on highway drives. When I left thier shop, I drove 110 miles at 70 mph (~3000 rpm), and I think I heard more wind noise than exhaust. However, when I jumped on it pulling out of a PA turnpike toll booth, it sounded MEAN! Nice and throaty, with a very "crisp" performance sound. My car is a very mild 327, in case you are wondering.

I cannot say enough good things about the staff at Pypes and the quality of thier system. I would highly recommend this kit to all early Chevy 2 guys when it is released. :)

P.S. No picking on my crusty undercarriage!!!! ;)

[the FLYER]

GEEEEZE !!! i didn't think it was gonna sound so loud so i turned it up... :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :D

WOW !!!! sounds Great !!! :D

looks Real Good too !!!! :D :D :D :D

[66IISS]

will there be any kind of dyno on this?? we're deffinitly looking at the pypes system for our 66 ss with a built 406... some dyno action would be amazing.:D :D :D

[72Orange]

Glad your happy with it. I love the way my 2.5" Pypes system sounds. Nice and docile while puttering around and then really ROARS when you get on it.

Which muffler did you go with? I went with the Pro-V.

[72Orange]

Which muffler did you go with? I went with the Pro-V.
Nevermind, I should have read your post more completely.

[Ccass]

will there be any kind of dyno on this?? we're deffinitly looking at the pypes system for our 66 ss with a built 406... some dyno action would be amazing.:D :D :D

That is what Pypes ideally likes to do on each new system but unfortunately the timing wasn't right. However, we've dyno'd enough cars to 'GUARANTEE' that if you are switching from a locally compression bent 2.25" system, you will pick up at least 25hp. It's also not uncommon to pickup 35-50 if your motor has a healthy rebuild. Normally the gains are attributed 40% to the mandrel Bent Pipe, 40% to the siamese design X crossover and 20% to a performance muffler.

66IISS, When you are ready, If you want to arrange locally for a new installation and dyno testing, we'll pay for the dyno testing as long as you post the results here. Shoot us an e-mail if you are interested.

[John65ss]

I can say that the car definitelt felt stronger with the new Pypes system. The one that was on there before was a real mess with severly crimped tailpipes. I had 2.5" with no crossover and Dynomax Ultra-Flo welded mufflers. The new Pypes system sounds 100% better, and I think the car definitely picked up some power. Remember, I have a mild 327. A 383 or 406 would probably REALLY benefit from this system.

Ccass... thanks again! I am really loving my new exhaust system! :D

I honestly think that this kit will be the best thing on the market for us early Chevy II guys. The fit is great, and the quality can't be beat.

[Dan_Lebherz]

$64,000 question.
will it fit a Wagon?

[Nova67ss]

Thanks for the pics now I have a "Buildsheet" visualising the system I been thinkin of :D

Great sound yehaa

[hot66]

Those rock! Save me a set!

Looks like a good prospect for a group buy.

Jeff

[1967something?]

Im in for a group buy!

I know, bandwagon. It looks great sounds great and I have no exhaust what a match.

[415 nova]

Im in for a group buy dual with x over and electric cut-outs!!!!! :cool:

[novafied]

hi ccass, i was reading john65ss post about redoing the tail pipe section to correct the fitting problem. after looking at the photos,all you did was cut up the non fitting pipe to make it make it work.the biggest problem i had with tailpipe was the bend over the axle .the bend going up is fine but the bend coming down goes to far down and then goes up a little before going out to rear.thats the problem,it should be half of that. if your going to fix the problem do it right. when i talked to the guys from pypes at the daytona show,they told me it would fit with a little modifacation.sure!? i wanted it to exit to the rear but had to settle for behind the tire.anyway,here's a photo of what i did.it looks like what you did but without the chrome tips.click on my photobucket link for more photos.http://photobucket.com/albums/d90/novafied/ http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/novafied/DCP_0770.jpg[/URL]

[John65ss]

the bend going up is fine but the bend coming down goes to far down and then goes up a little before going out to rear.thats the problem,it should be half of that. if your going to fix the problem do it right.

Novafied.... that is EXACTLY what they did on my car. They took some "height" out the the rear section of the bends so that it does not dip down as far. It is a bit hard to see in the photos, because they ground the welds smooth and painted with high-temp aluminum. If you really zoom in on the photos, you can see where the pipe is painted just rear of the axle loop.

The system on mine does not get nearly as close to the leaf spring, compared to the picture you posted. If I get some time later this week, I'll try to take a picture from the same perspective as your picture and post here.

John

[DriveWFO]

$64,000 question.
will it fit a Wagon?

That's expensive for a wagon.

[Ccass]

$64,000 question.
will it fit a Wagon?

Can you take some pics of the rear section including the gas tank positioning? That would be a start.

[Ccass]

Those rock! Save me a set!

Looks like a good prospect for a group buy.

Jeff

If someone on the site wants to organize a group-buy, we will definitely make it attractive for everyone. We'll probably need 2 weeks or so to price out the tailpipes but my guess is that the system will list the same as the A-body systems($409) for header-back. Retail will be around $365. We might be able to put together something in the range of $299 group-buy with a maximum of 10 systems at that price. Don't quote me on this yet, but I'm fairly confident that's where we'll be at.

[novafied]

hi john65ss,when i saw you photos i thought it looked like mine. i think this system will work in a 68 and up nova.i think i cut off about 2.5 feet of pipe on each side .what a waste.don't get me wrong,the system is nice,sounds good too.i just wish the tailpipe fit better. i tried expanding the pipe with a matco tool and the pipe is some strong stuff because i was affaid i was going to strip the tool.i was using a 1/2 impact gun with 120 psi .i don't have a torch,maybe that would have helped? they should make the tailpipe in 3 pieces so you can make it exit the rear or behind the tire. who cares if it's not one piece,it's going to get welded or clamped.just make it easier to fit.

[Ccass]

hi john65ss,when i saw you photos i thought it looked like mine. i think this system will work in a 68 and up nova.

We have 2 different systems already designed for the 68-74 body style. They feature 2 piece tailpipes. I imagine you could maybe use this new system on the 68-74 but I don't see an advantage since there are already 2 that fit.

[Dan_Lebherz]

I'd probably be in for a Group Buy!

[66chevyIISS]

I'm definitely interested. Any idea when this kit will be available? June? Will you have a 3" version also? Thanks!

[Ccass]

I'm definitely interested. Any idea when this kit will be available? June? Will you have a 3" version also? Thanks!

The kit could be available as early as June. However, we need to see a level of interest in this system before we proceed. Anyone who is interested needs to call us and place your order. You will not have to pay immediately. About 2-3 weeks before they are complete, we would call or e-mail and confirm you want your system at the special introductory price and then we will bill your credit card. I have mentioned above the approximate price we are fairly confident the system will be.

We initially will not be making the system in 3". Later on, if the 2.5" system is successful, we will certainly consider 3".

[Jinks]

hey, im in if you can squeeze in a 73 nova 3" x pipe w/ race pros and dougs 1 3/4 -3" :)

[Dan_Lebherz]

Why don't you post your e-mail address and we can send you an e-mail to confirm our interest.

[Jinks]

kevin@stjinks.com

73 nova

[Jinks]

haha i jumped the gun there :D

[Ccass]

hey, im in if you can squeeze in a 73 nova 3" x pipe w/ race pros and dougs 1 3/4 -3" :)

Our F-body system sgf13r will work on a 73 Nova.

[Ccass]

Why don't you post your e-mail address and we can send you an e-mail to confirm our interest.

My e-mail is in my profile. chrisc@pypesexhaust.com

[Jinks]

yeah.. thats the kit i was looking at.. i just wanted to make sure you werent just doing ONE kit for the group buy!

[John65ss]

Seeing this reminded me... I owe you guys a photo from the perspective posted earlier in the thread by novafied. I'll see what I can do this weekend! :)

[Jinks]

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anyone still in on this? sooner the better for me :)

[John65ss]

Guys... I had promised a better picture to show that the tailpipes on the "improved" pypes system do not dip down as close to the leaf spring as what novafied had posted earlier. Here's a good shot:

http://home.comcast.net/~john.sm/pypes9.jpg

[Novaman_63]

I'm interested!

[new2novas]

i gotta be honest, i think they should kick out in the rear more sideways than coming straight down, maybe it was the picture...hey john is your car still up there, or how close to willow grove are ya, i would like to see it in person before i committed to anything

[NovatoriusRex]

Guys... I had promised a better picture to show that the tailpipes on the "improved" pypes system do not dip down as close to the leaf spring as what novafied had posted earlier. Here's a good shot:

http://home.comcast.net/~john.sm/pypes9.jpg

Wouldn't that tight 180* bend in the tail pipe tend to reduce exhaust flow and hurt performance??

[Jinks]

it's mandrel bent :p plus it's after the muffler..i dont think i twould be an issue

[John65ss]

new2novas... I am around Harrisburg. I only took my car there for the day.

[mychevyii20]

Next $64,000 question.

Is the X back far enough to fit a 700R4 tranny cross-member?
Does someone have it on a 700R4 1st-2nd gen?

I will try to I get under my car and get dimensions from the cross-member mount back this week end.

[Ccass]

Next $64,000 question.

Is the X back far enough to fit a 700R4 tranny cross-member?
Does someone have it on a 700R4 1st-2nd gen?

I will try to I get under my car and get dimensions from the cross-member mount back this week end.

The 700R4 will not affect the installation of the X-pipe or system. The legs are well behind the trans and the legs wrap around each side of any trans.

[Ccass]

Wouldn't that tight 180* bend in the tail pipe tend to reduce exhaust flow and hurt performance??

The angle of the picture makes the tailpipe bend seem steeper than it really is. However, almost any tailpipes are going to have upwards of an 180 degree bend. The mandrel bends allow the pipe to stay at 2.5". That is dramatically more important to good flow than reducing the bends from say 180 to 150 or even using compression bends(local shop) that are 3"! That's correct. 2.5" mandrel bends outflow 3" non mandrel bends by a wide margin.

[Greg_R_63]

Is there any way to get the kit with an under the bumper exit? I just don't like the tips tucked away and turned down like that.

[Ccass]

Is there any way to get the kit with an under the bumper exit? I just don't like the tips tucked away and turned down like that.

You could add extensions fairly easily. Here is one option.

http://pypesexhaust.com/images/evt58.jpg

[Greg_R_63]

It's nice that the option is there, but it adds $102 to the price. Have to seriously think about that one.

[Ccass]

It's nice that the option is there, but it adds $102 to the price. Have to seriously think about that one.

There is a mistake in the evt58 tips. They should be $79/pr. With the group buy they would be $64. If you want to keep the cost down, you could cut the tails and add a 12"-15" piece of straight pipe. During development, most Chevy II owners requested a side exit option. You'll notice that none of our systems have 2 tailpipe options. We choose the most popular and for those that want the less popular tailpipe design, it becomes an extra step.

[gg64ss]

I just finished installing one of the 3" Pypes kits this weekend. I bought it in Daytona at the Spring Fling for $400. This was obviously before your Chevy II kit was available. I was told it would fit my 64'. I think it was more of a universal type. I got it to the rear axle and stopped. The tailpipes aren't close. Can I swap out the ones I have for the newer set at the Turkey Rod Run in Daytona this year?

[Ccass]

I just finished installing one of the 3" Pypes kits this weekend. I bought it in Daytona at the Spring Fling for $400. This was obviously before your Chevy II kit was available. I was told it would fit my 64'. I think it was more of a universal type. I got it to the rear axle and stopped. The tailpipes aren't close. Can I swap out the ones I have for the newer set at the Turkey Rod Run in Daytona this year?

Yes you could swap them out if they have not been modified, but we only made 2.5" tailpipes. The 2.5" tailpipes would have to be expanded to fit into 3" mufflers. Also, it sounds like you did the installation from the front to the back. That means there is a good chance the mufflers are not positioned properly for the tailpipes. You may have fit issues even with the correct tailpipes. Lastly the new tailpipes are designed to fit the XVF10 X pipe kit and you have the XVA13 X-pipe kit. The offset of the mufflers will probably also have to change in order to make a good fit.

btw; That was 2005 that you bought that system. We didn't go to the Spring show this year.

[Greg_R_63]

Are you still offering the V-Force mufflers? I don't see them on the muffler page.

[Ccass]

Are you still offering the V-Force mufflers? I don't see them on the muffler page.

No, We decided not to be a 'copy cat' anymore. The Street Pro is a slight bit quieter than the V-force but very similar sound. The Violator is a little bit louder but much better flow and very similar sound. So you have two new mufflers to choose from instead of the PRO V.

[blown69rat]

Chris, have you guys done anything with the diesel end of the spectrum?? I have a 2000 F350 crew long bed. Let me know.

Also, the pictures of Ken's car on your site are fabulous!!

[72Orange]

You could add extensions fairly easily. Here is one option.

http://pypesexhaust.com/images/evt58.jpg

What is the total length on them? I wasn't happy with the rear exit tail pipes (hung down way too low) on my 72. Would they reach all the way out to underneath the bumper?

No, We decided not to be a 'copy cat' anymore.
What was copy cat about the Pro V's? That's what I have and am just wondering? 40's?

[neverfinished66]

Looks like a nice system and it sounds good too!! Your under carriage aint so bad man!!

[Ccass]

What is the total length on them? I wasn't happy with the rear exit tail pipes (hung down way too low) on my 72. Would they reach all the way out to underneath the bumper?


What was copy cat about the Pro V's? That's what I have and am just wondering? 40's?

I don't have the total length handy but we have two different length versions. One should be long enough.

The Pro V was a copy of the FM 40 series.

[Ccass]

Chris, have you guys done anything with the diesel end of the spectrum?? I have a 2000 F350 crew long bed. Let me know.

Also, the pictures of Ken's car on your site are fabulous!!

Diesel exhaust..... here is a link
[/http://www.pypesexhaust.com/sys-diesel.html

[BTHOMAS67Wagon]

CCASS,
I didn't know we had 2 threads on this until GReg let me know.

In the other thread...
http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46156


I had asked
If it includes the group buy is for 2 1/5 pipe, the X-pipe, sets for Stock Exhaust Manifolds, Stock Exit Area and Mufflers, I am in like Flint.

(It does look like the Setup Prototype is exiting farther back instead of right behind the wheel ?!)

I bought a setup for the 67 Wagon for $300 from a different company and I was less then impressed. The bends were not very good as it hit my Powerglide linkage and the ID and OD of some of the pipe sections where pretty loose. I decided to slap in on the 66 Sedan, since it is the "daily driver".

So, I need a setup for the 67 wagon.

(As far as I can see, the "non-Straight" , "side dump" tails will not fit our wagon's with out mod's to the spare tire well or pipe. I plan on taking my Spare Tire well out, so I'll gbe good !!)

-Brent Thomas
Ohio



and
Okay, I am confused as to what I would be getting with SGN10S (1st/2nd gen) ??

It looks like the "SGN10S" comes with mufflers and X pipe. But is it going to be for stock manifold or header? Is it a straight back exit or a "non stock turn down"?

(I say non stock turn down, as it seems to go a foot behind the rear wheel and not just an inch or two)

Would they allow pickup to save us shipping? (I was just in PA last week too. )

Thanks !!
-Brent Thomas
Ohio


Thanks and look foward to hearing from you.
-Brent Thomas
Ohio

[novafied]

hi ccass, are you going to be at the daytona turkey run next month? if you are,could you bring a extra set of rear tailpipes for a 66 nova. i want to see how the new inproved pipes will fit. look at my exhaust system here http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/novafied/

[BTHOMAS67Wagon]

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Ccass, have you left the building or are you still here ??

-Brent Thomas
Ohio

[YENKO DEUCE REG]

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