69 shifter trouble

[taz3]

I'm new here and hope someone can tell me where to get info on a hurst shifter for an 69 SS L78 M20 Nova does it bolt up different then the muncie bracket and does any one have any pics or illustrations of the original hurst set up?:confused:

[WILMASBOYL78]

The factory instlled shifter was a Muncie unit that bolted to the crossmember. They were notorious for jamming and getting sloppy. The Hurst unit bolts directly to the transmission and is much better for a street driven car. If you want the best of both..use a Hurst shifter body and retrofit a Muncie handle..correct look without the problems. The Hurst shifter to fit the Novas is readily available from any of the usual hotrod suppliers.

wilma:shh:

[taz3]

Thank you for the info,when I called hurst(mr gasket)they said they have no listing for 69 w/console only w/o.Is the 69 Camaro the sameone and/or will it fit?

[WILMASBOYL78]

Pretty sure the console Camaro shifter will work...I'll see if I can get some more info.

wilma:shh:

[RallyNova350]

Hey Wilma!

Did you ever take that Muncie handle I sent you and modify it to fit your Hurst shifter? If so, how did that turn out for you.

I am planning on most like doing this for my '72 Rally soon. I have a nice, 3-speed hurst shifter but want the look of the big Muncie handle.

Take care!

[capt-camshaft]

Great topic.

I've tried that factory handle (Camaro) for my competition plus shifter in my 69 Nova with a console.
It never worked. The body of the shifter was too think and placed the attaching bolts right near the floor.

Anyone chime in.....Like the look of the console but not going back to the "flintstone loose shifter"

Jim

[taz3]

I emailed Mr Gasket & they recomend 391 6848 shifter & 373 7131 install kit.I prefer the 391 4340 mechanism(only)it looks like it will fit better because it leans tothe right & forward.I think it will center up better I'll let you know in about 10 days when it arrives.I also found a Camaro web site that sells the original style braket & brace for the flintstone shifter HA!HA!I mean Muncie shifter the site is www.camaroandclassics.com look under 67-68 camaro.Thanks for the replies.I'll keep you all posted as parts arrive.

[capt-camshaft]

Keep us (me) informed on what works. I like the idea of putting the console back in place but want to keep the tight shifter.

[WILMASBOYL78]

Thank you for the info,when I called hurst(mr gasket)they said they have no listing for 69 w/console only w/o.Is the 69 Camaro the sameone and/or will it fit?

Karen has a Hurst in her 69 Camaro with console. I will try to get some part #'s and info. 69 Camaros (z28) came from the factory with a Hurst...

wilma:shh:

[taz3]

Well just got word today that like everthing else lately my shifter is on back order maybe another 2 weeks.Time to move onto another area.Maybe I'll start on rear end posi & gears.I did at least get all the parts sorted out and what I need.

[the FLYER]

i'd like ta see the info on the Hurst... be a good number ta save for future reference....

[taz3]

I will post numbers tomorrow for install kit and shifter w/console the non console is easily found by anyone who sells hurst shifters.Don't kow where they are right now I have them somewhere they were a pain to sort out.

[the FLYER]

if the numbers you have are for the console application (was stated Hurst doesn't list) i'd like the numbers...

i'm somewhat of a Hurst nut.





thanks :D

[capt-camshaft]

You guys all must be on the same wave!!

Backed the car up yesterday from the winter cocoon and was thinking of following up this topic myself!!

Do keep us posted. Jim

[YENKO DEUCE REG]

I'm not at this point yet on my '69, but per my notes I show the following part numbers for a Hurst shifter in a 69 Nova w/ console:

Hurst Shifter - with console = 391-7875
Hurst Shifter - install kit = 373-7131
Hurst Shifter - head only = 391-7879
Hurst Shifter - stick only = 538-4106

Can anyone add to this list, like maybe the shifter rods part numbers?
M

[jason 68 L78]

I used a Hurst comp plus shifter in my 68 with console. I will get the numbers tonight they are in the garage, I kept the sheet that came with the shifter. I think it says 67-69 camaro firebird not even nova. Works great!!

[capt-camshaft]

BINGO.

That number 391-7875 I can't find so far. I need it mainly for pictures as the one that is in the car is perfect.

The stick number 538-4106 is what I'm after. 538-4084 is bent just right so will locate this at Jeg's. then compare.

Jason 68...........What are the numbers for your 68???

Heading for work shaft (oops shift) Jim

[the FLYER]

I'm not at this point yet on my '69, but per my notes I show the following part numbers for a Hurst shifter in a 69 Nova w/ console:

Hurst Shifter - with console = 391-7875
Hurst Shifter - install kit = 373-7131
Hurst Shifter - head only = 391-7879
Hurst Shifter - stick only = 538-4106

Can anyone add to this list, like maybe the shifter rods part numbers?
M


dug out the Ol' Hurst catalog again... maybe this'll help ;)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/Hurstcat.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/Hurstcat23.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/Hurstcat22.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/Hurstcat24.jpg


<edit> here's the stick you asked for i believe...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/hurstcat3.jpg

[the FLYER]

as you guess, i have a catalog here, it's dated 1997. it shows pictures of the shifter units without the stick, but the number listed above, the 391-7879 (shifter only) isn't listed... so i have no picture for you... now HERE's a picture, dunno if it's a misprint of the part number... same number, but jiggled a little... can anyone confirm ???

(edit) i removed the picture, it was incorrect... please disregard this post

[taz3]

I need the install kit to know if everything will work but here is what I going to use;shifter body only 391 4340
shifter arm 538 8009
install kit 3737131
the shifter body should work because it has an offset to pass. side (1&1/4")as well as leans forward.The guys at hurst just say there is no listing so I'm going to try this configuration when all the parts get here.If anyone knows for sure please chime in.

[the FLYER]

I need the install kit to know if everything will work but here is what I going to use;shifter body only 391 4340
shifter arm 538 8009
install kit 3737131
the shifter body should work because it has an offset to pass. side (1&1/4")as well as leans forward.The guys at hurst just say there is no listing so I'm going to try this configuration when all the parts get here.If anyone knows for sure please chime in.


here's a shot of the 4340, i think the offset's not gonna work... but i'm not looking at my car, and i'm not Mr Hurst....

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/hurstcat5.jpg

[taz3]

Yeah that what I have.What makes ya think it won't work.I'm a long way from final assembly so I've got time to try different set ups.thanks flyer

[the FLYER]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/hurstcat51.jpg


well, i was looking at the angle of the shift handle area... sure looks like it's gonna be awkward havin' the handle shooting over to pass side...

i'd think mods to the handle would be needed ta work, those handles are like 50 bucks, and if ya mess it up, yer done... plus when ya heat and bend the chrome finish is toast...

[taz3]

Thanks Flyer my handle has the bend already there to compensate for pass. side offset.The sub frame is sitting with M 21 and shifter w/handle and handle sits perfectly vertical.I'm now hoping install kit will place it forward enough.The sub frame is out so I measuring and so far if the shifter will need to be about 1" more forward than it is with the Chevelle install kit.That's the best bad news I've gotten.Problem is the new Hurst catalogue has no listing for 69 w/console so I'm doing the mix and match.Thanks for pics & tips.Here are pics of the set up.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f375/sstaz/shifter002.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f375/sstaz/shifter001.jpg

[the FLYER]

side by side of the two yer lookin' at, what was recommended by Hurst (in yer post) and the number you posted...


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/hurstcat62.jpg

[the FLYER]

the post above (posted at 12:16pm) with the catalog pictures etc list the 69 w/console... have you checked availability of THAT number ???

[the FLYER]

i JUST called Summitt


the 391-7875 is no longer available... BUT the shifter WITHOUT stick IS still available by special order...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/hurstcat72.jpg

[taz3]

I'm on hold waiting to find out the availability,that shifter in earlier post needs the 1" offset at the base of the handle it has 90 degree bend thats what makes me think what I have may work.Still on hold I'll post soon as I know.Great now they're closed tell ya Monday.Thanks for your time helping good news is the install kit on order is the right one and the other parts I already own so if they don't fit no lost they'll be one more swap meet piece to sell.

[the FLYER]

funny, i'm on hold with Hurst too....

[Joe]

I dont know if this helps but,when you buy these shifters dont they come with the Mount?I have had these shifters on a couple Console Cars.

[the FLYER]

could anyone scan a 391-7879 (number on shifter only unit for 391-7875 applications) shifter and post it ??? Hurst doesn't have a picture... right now anyway, they're looking :)

[taz3]

That pic Joe posted is the one I have.I also went to see a guy with what he said was a console shifter he had for sale it was also the same as what I have but it looked like it was dragged through a swamp.Hurst emailed me and said,"we recomend 3916848 shifter & 3737131 install kit" don't want to order the shifter cause it's list w/out console.I do know 373 7131 install kit works with the shifter I have.Soon as I recieve install I'll assemble and post the results.Hopefully some as 7879 shifter pics to post.

[Joe]

My 70 had what looked like the 373-7131 Mount.Is this it?if it is ,the car was a Console Car and it worked.http://www.ajusa.com/images/vendors/HUR/lg/3737131.jpg

[taz3]

That's what I have on order (Paul) Joe all the paper work I've read says that's for console.Did you have the shifter you posted in pic?I emailed Flyer some pics he's going try to post them.I'm not a computer guru at all.

[the FLYER]

here's the shots, Taz, gimme a couple and i'll PM ya with a couple things...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/shifter_001.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/shifter_002.jpg

[taz3]

Your a star I had one up but forgot to reduce it so deleted it.

[the FLYER]

common mistake that's made, no biggie... check yer PM's ;)

[taz3]

Thanks I'd like to know what's different from 68-69 if any thank you very much for help & info.Hopefully someone has pics to post,I'd be surprised to find the Camaro shifter doesn't fit.

[capt-camshaft]

Thanks to everyone so far for.. Pics help a lot. I'm really glad others are also looking.
Hard to describe what is really needed. I get the "deer in the headlight" look trying to explain this.
Seems straight forward but really it's not...

I can just give them the part numbers and take it from there!!

[the FLYER]

Hey Capt. send me a PM with yer E Addy and i'll send ya copies of the pages of the catalog that show yer application.... if you'd like that is, or is the info you needed already been posted ???

which ever way... we're tryin' ;) :D

[taz3]

Before I joined up I had no idea how many things were wrong with my numbers match car.Good thing the numbers match cause not a whole lot more does,just havta sit back and laf.A lot of good help here and every now and then I think I hepled a bit,it is fun.

[Joe]

Taz,
I have used a Shifter like the one you have and it did work.It was fairly Close to the Pass. side of the Opening in the Console Plate,but did not hit.The best fit I had was the Straight shifter with the Offset Handle,but I dont believe you can get that Handle anymore.As you can see in your Pictures,the Handle is just to the left of the Centerline on the Tailhousing.You can see in this Picture,the Opening in the Plate extends to just a little Right of the centerline of the Console.

[taz3]

That's to funny cause I have that exact console 73-74 it's actually the wrong console for my car,how the original went missing is anyones guess.Thanks Joe that helps to ease my mind.

[69novashotgun]

Does anybody know if #373-7131 Mount is the same for a bench seat?
I was going to order that next week, right now I have a Universal.
(69 nova)

[the FLYER]

to my knowledge the Hurst catalog would specify seat if seat was a factor... if it doesn't state "with Buckets" it doesn't matter, bench or buckets.

on some cars, such as a 55 chevy for example, some early chevy trucks too, they state that due to seat configuration, mods to shift handle will be necessary to clear seat... but if there's no footnote stating such info... you should be good to go bench/buckets...

[Joe]

Taz,
If you switch to the Correct Console the Shifter will still work.I have the correct console in My cars.
Joe

[taz3]

Great news how are you sending me your console?UPS or...... Just kidd'n thanks Joe.

[Joe]

Taz,
I Strapped it to a Turtle and Pointed him your way,let Me know when it arrives.:D
All kidding aside.I just wanted you to know if you later switch Consoles out there would not be a Problem.As you probally know the Tunnel Hump for the 73-74 Console is Different also.

Joe

[taz3]

Yeah I noticed the shifter hump on the floor is different from the console kick out I in the hunt for correct console have a couple guys to call that may have them.Thanks for the heads up on that.Wife's still laughing at the door wait for turtle LOL!!!
Paul

[jason 68 L78]

This is the shifter I have in my 68 works great and every thing clears just fine. I think this sheet, now that I look at it, is for my installation kit. I will look for the numbers on the shifter gate. But it looks like the top picture.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/jasonchale/68shifter.jpg


Jason

[taz3]

Is your car a console car?Do you know if the 68-69 are the same(the floor tunnel area)?Thanks for your post.

[jason 68 L78]

Yes it is a console car and I think the shifter hump is the same from 68-72. I ordered the shifter from classic industries the shifter was part number 3914339 in thier catalog. The installation kit was 3734529 they list this as a 68 installation kit for all muncies. I am running a 68 M21 close ratio tranny and the arms had to be modified to get them to work. The square cutout on shifter arm that bolts to the tranny was to small. I had to open it up. Wasn't a real big deal to fix I just made it work because I didn't want to return it.

Jason

[taz3]

Thanks for response I can honestly say never seen a 68 L78 live,I do know alot of parts are 68 only.It is quite the stand alone model considering how simmular it is to 69.
Paul

[the FLYER]

the 391-4339 "shifter w/stick" is the same 391-4340 shifter "w/o stick"

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/hurstcat5.jpg

[capt-camshaft]

Hard for me to read with this screen. Does it have a part number to the handle??

[jason 68 L78]

Hi Paul
The 68 bb is a rare car I am not sure if you have ever been to this web site but this is my car under restoration check it out. It will be done by spring!
http://www.detroithorsepower.com/forum/index.php?topic=1489.0;all

Jason

[taz3]

YES! Thanks for jumpn' in Flyer that solves my shifter trouble now I can't wait for my install kit to arrive.So thanks to Joe,Jason,Capt Cam,& Flyer I feel better.A dude at one of the suppliers asked me if Dodge made the Nova I just about died,thinking how can you work in this industry and not know that.I'm NOT mopar or ford guy but I do know who made what without even working in the auto market.All the help is greatly appriciated guys.
Paul

[the FLYER]

Hard for me to read with this screen. Does it have a part number to the handle??



the catalog lists application numbers, these numbers are for the shifter AND handle... you then look in the back of the catalog and you can find the shifter only, no stick number...

you can buy:

shifter w/stick

OR

shifter separately
stick separately

then buy install kit


the handle number was listed previously...391-4106

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/64Flyer/hurstcat3.jpg

[Joe]

Flyer,
I have that Handle,didn't know it was still made.
Joe

[waynew]

Here's a '69 Camaro Hurst shifter setup on eBay:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-camaro-z-28-ss-copo-yenko-factory-HURST-SHIFTER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ10076QQitemZ462 3781735QQrdZ1

[taz3]

I can't believe the general didn't use the same style set up as the Camaro

[taz3]

Mr gasket just informed me my shifter install kit wouldn't be ready untill mid June AAAAHHH!

[waynew]

just sumthin' to think about...

keep in mind that your original Muncie shift knob won't
fit on the 3/8" Camaro/Hurst shifter.

Wayne

[Novaddiction]

Just digging through some old blogs to find what shifter I need for my 69 console car. What is the final answer on this question so many of us have. Will the 68 Console shifter (391-4339) work with the 69-70 (373-7131) install kit? Also, has anyone tried using the spacer that Hurst sells to offset the handle more to the passenger side? I thought I had heard something about that.




In the desert again but when I come home it's on!

:beer:(have one for me)

[capt-camshaft]

I really gave up with mine. Had more problems trying to explain it..
Found out that I have a Competition Plus II shifter and the 2 attaching bolts for the handle were right against the floor pan. So previous owners massaged it.

I tried to heat and bend a swap meet shifter to snake it over farther but I got PO-ed with it and the rest of last year went with a boot only.

Maybe with a new outlook and information from others it might be enough to fix it right over winter.

Still have the sheet that "Flyer" snt me if you need to see it just ask and will forward it.

[taz3]

Just digging through some old blogs to find what shifter I need for my 69 console car. What is the final answer on this question so many of us have. Will the 68 Console shifter (391-4339) work with the 69-70 (373-7131) install kit? Also, has anyone tried using the spacer that Hurst sells to offset the handle more to the passenger side? I thought I had heard something about that.




In the desert again but when I come home it's on!

:beer:(have one for me)

This is the set up I used for the console car.

Also so everyone should know the 373-7131 install kit will work on 68 and older Muncies,the different listing was for the reverse lockout rod on the reverse arm.It has a second hole for the lockout rod.The other thing that is different from 69-68 is 68 used a stud & nut 69 used a bolt to hold the shift arms and the bolt is 3/8(I think) & the stud is 5/16 so the 69 are drilled out to accomidate the larger bolt.

[Red Ball]

Believe it or not I am converting back from a Hurst to a Muncie. I have a completely original 62,000 mile 69 4 speed big block with console. The only non original part on the car is the shifter, so I am converting back to Muncie to keep everything original. Will be glad to sell you the Hurst unit, which works fine after I affect the conversion.