66 -74 Nova Buckets and mounts Research

[71SS]

Seems there are a lot of requests for correct buckets seats for Novas.
I've decided to get as much info as possible on the buckets seats from 1966 to 1974 Novas and have talked with Greg from Nova Research Projects (http://www.chevynova.org/index.html) about putting it on his wesbsite.

Here is what I am looking for.

Buckets - Any pics of original buckets from 66 to 74 and what year they are. I believe there were minor differences in the patterns over the years.

Tracks - probably the biggest problem with everyone is with the correct tracks. I need year, measurements and pics.

Floor mounts - I need the year, measurements and pics



The following is what I think know for sure at this time. :confused:

66 buckets - no headrest, backs do not lock.

67 buckets - no headrest, backs lock with lock buttons on the side.

66 & 67 tracks - same tracks, both are same height, the seat will sit level if sitting on the ground.

68 buckets - no headrest, backs lock with buttons on side but from chevynuts88 thread 68 Bucket? (http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31867), believe the lock button is not in the same place as 67 and the backs are a little diifferent due to the buttons and the way they connect on the back of the seat.

69 to 71 - headrest installed, lock buttons in the middle of the back of the seat back.

68 to 71 - same tracks, different heights, seat will lean towards the door side due to the inside tracks being higher.

72 to 74 - tracks same height, seat will sit level.

72 to 74 high back buckets

68 mounts consist of four pads on floorboards for each seat.

69 to 71 mounts, two pads on outside tracks and the middle mounts go over the trans hump with bolts on both sides.

72 to 74 almost identical to 69 to 71 with the exception of the bolt placement in the mount.

I believe the bucket seat frame is the same for all 'A' body cars, tracks, headrest and seat back locks will determine years.

I do have one set of 70 bucket seats that have original material. I also have another set but am not sure what year 69-71.

You can post your info here for others to see and send any info to me at dpenn@glis.cc.

Here are pictures of what I have at this time. Bucket seats (http://community.webshots.com/album/174195490VfaYBv)

[69NovaSS]

I believe that for the 67 and 68 seats headrests WHERE optional so they are avialable with them:)

[Joe]

71SS,
My 69,70 and 71 all have the Same Pattern in the Seats.I have a Picture of Section of 70 Floorpan with the Hump and Bucket Mounts if want me to send it to you.Also the Seats in my cars seem to set level,not lean towards the door.
Joe

[71SS]

Joe,
I should have clarified about the seats and the lean. When they are out of the car and sitting on a floor, they will lean.
Please send any pics you have if they are original material.
Thanks,
Dan

[Maxturbo]

Don't forget the brochure input for ID'ing seats... :)
http://www.classicnovas.net/brochure/index.htm

[JR]

66 buckets bottom

[71SS]

Is there anyone with more info and pics?
Thanks, Dan

[69NovaSS]

Is there anyone with more info and pics?
Thanks, Dan


i have a set of 67's out of my car right now but I was under the impression from the original post that you wanted pics of seats with original style seat covers and mine are not...they are in the diamond pattern fom the 70's..if you want I can get pics for ya?

[71SS]

For anyone interested, here are pics of original 69-71 and 72-74 bucket seat mounts.
The 69-71 mounts are ones I cut out of a 70 SS.
The 72-74 are ones I bought off eBay that were suppose to be 69-71 but are not. They are the same as the ones 2slow72 cut out of a 73 and put in his 72.
Unless someone proves me wrong, it's my story and I'm sticking with it. :D

Original 69 – 74 Nova bucket seat mounts (http://community.webshots.com/album/547628646YbVyQh)

I will continue updating this info as I learn more so if you have anything to share, please do. This will benefit us and all those that follow in our footsteps.

[YENKO DEUCE REG]

I'm one of the many who have a set of buckets ( and a bucket seat Nova!), but the two won't fit! I'm not sure what type of car my buckets are from, but the tracks don't line up. I'd be glad to send pics, but I'm not sure they will be useful - heck, one of the seats is actually a very dark green!

I was given some advice on my track issue. Basically, I was told that it's probably best if I cut the tracks that I have to fit the Nova floor design. Has anyone ever tried this? Hard/easy? Any tips/tricks to getting it done?

Thx,
M

[onequiknova]

Here are some original 74 Nova buckets.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c154/onequiknova/E5A002.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c154/onequiknova/E5A001.jpg

I've also got a set of 74 seat tracks in storage. Next time I'm there I'll snap some pics if you still need them.

John

[71SS]

I'm one of the many who have a set of buckets ( and a bucket seat Nova!), but the two won't fit! I'm not sure what type of car my buckets are from, but the tracks don't line up. I'd be glad to send pics, but I'm not sure they will be useful - heck, one of the seats is actually a very dark green!

I was given some advice on my track issue. Basically, I was told that it's probably best if I cut the tracks that I have to fit the Nova floor design. Has anyone ever tried this? Hard/easy? Any tips/tricks to getting it done?

Thx,
M
M,
Please send me pics. I think you have 'A' body tracks and I do not have any pics of them.

From what I have gathered. 'A' body bucket frames are the same as Nova bucket frames, the tracks are the difference.
I believe 'A' Body tracks are 15" center to center, front to back. Also, all the feet are the same heights. What about the side to side measurement?

Here is a thread we had going on the dimensions of the Nova tracks.
Nova tracks thread (http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32087)

I've never seen the pics of what all you had to do to restore your Deuce, but with the experience you had with it, I'm sure you could tackle the tracks.
Talking about just one track here, I believe you'll have to shorten both the inner and outer track the same distance to get the proper length. Then you will have to either lengthen or shorten the height of each foot.
I would not change the floor mounts if it were mine.


onequiknova,
Thanks for the pics, I'll save them in my archive, hope to get this info on Nova Research Projects (http://www.chevynova.org/index.html) soon.

[YENKO DEUCE REG]

Dan,
I believe you are right, they are A-body tracks. When the seats are on the floor they sit pretty much level - if I remember correctly. In order to make them fit, I will indeed need to shorten the length of both the inside & outside track, and lower them. I plan to do just that- but also thought that I could heat them and bend them 'shorter' so to speak. I'll know more when it thaws out around here :rolleyes:
M

[71SS]

M,
I was thinking about this after I posted before and trying to figure out an easier way to do this and what I came up with is...
Maybe you can just cut the feet and weld them back on so they fit the mounts. This way you would not have to cut the tracks as that will be a little tricky.
As for bending them, they already fit flush against the bottom of the seat frame, so I don't think you could.
Please let me know how they come out.
Dan

[NovaDave]

You may want to expand your research into other buckets that we shared with the Nova. For example, Corvair buckets appear to be very similar, if not identical. I have some examples of Corvair buckets that I could photograph and measure if there is any interest. The reason that Corvair seats might be of interest is their high availability (all of the top line Corvairs had buckets -- even the 4 doors) and low cost. The 67-69 Corvairs had the clamshell buckets had the more padded ones (I have examples of each).

[69NovaSS]

all of the top line Corvairs had buckets -- even the 4 doors.

there was a four door Corvair?????:eek: :confused:

[NovaDave]

there was a four door Corvair?????:eek: :confused:

Yes, the 4-door was the first model introduced (1960). The 2-door followed shortly thereafter. When I said "all" top of the line Corvairs had buckets, that isn't quite true. All of the top line 2-doors had them and the 4-doors followed.

[69NovaSS]

Yes, the 4-door was the first model introduced (1960). The 2-door followed shortly thereafter. When I said "all" top of the line Corvairs had buckets, that isn't quite true. All of the top line 2-doors had them and the 4-doors followed.


well shoot I learn something new here everyday...cool:)

[JR]

I checked the measurements on the 66 buckets
length of tracks 15 1/2" tip to tip
Front height 2 1/8"
Rear height 1 1/2"
:) JR

[hotrodssnova]

i have a set that looks identical to onequiknova's pics, except there is no seatbelt holders, or the 'buzzer' wires. could these be out of a 72 nova? pre-seat belt era?
eric

[69NovaSS]

Rumor has it that a bench seat could be ordered with both the standard and custom interior BUT the buckets could only be ordered with the custom interior. Well I may have have found something to back that up. The following pics are from my GM Canada documents for my '69. The first one lists the standard interior. Note that the only seat listed is the bench. The second post shows the custom interior and the bucket seat option it shows that the custom interior was available to both bench and bucket seats.

[69NovaSS]

here is the custom interior page:

[sevent2ss]

I was reading some of these posts and thought that I had read somewhere that one of (or all of) the "resto" parts dealers were offering a conversion kit for Novafiles that want buckets. I don't have a recent catalog but the one I have (2000) from "Grannies Gear Box" does offer a conversion for 68-72 cars. I'm sure there are others.

I think that everyone knows that Camaros from each repective year have basically the same seat. If you have the correct mounting, you can use the Camaro frames and cover em' with Nova cloth or vinyl available from any of the "Nova" suppliers.

As for bench seat with a custom interior - the information I have says "Yes" you could do either in 72'. The RPO's are ZJ3 for Special Interior Group and ZJ1 for Custom Interior. Along with "Standard", they all show a bench.

[69NovaSS]

As for bench seat with a custom interior - the information I have says "Yes" you could do either in 72'. The RPO's are ZJ3 for Special Interior Group and ZJ1 for Custom Interior. Along with "Standard", they all show a bench.


I didnt say that you couldnt get a bench seat with the custom interior. What I said was that bucket seats were a custom interior option ONLY....bench seats, as you just said, could be had in BOTH custon and standard interiors...

[71SS]

I was reading some of these posts and thought that I had read somewhere that one of (or all of) the "resto" parts dealers were offering a conversion kit for Novafiles that want buckets. I don't have a recent catalog but the one I have (2000) from "Grannies Gear Box" does offer a conversion for 68-72 cars. I'm sure there are others.

This is true, although they seem to work okay as some folks here have used them. They are not correct for 69 and up Novas though, but will still work.

I think that everyone knows that Camaros from each repective year have basically the same seat. If you have the correct mounting, you can use the Camaro frames and cover em' with Nova cloth or vinyl available from any of the "Nova" suppliers.

If you have used Camaro seats in a Nova, please post some pics. From my observation and talks with others, they are NOT correct. They are a smaller seat.

[Igosplut]

I didn't see it mentioned here, But the 66 and 67 was the only years that the back and bottom covers were metal. 68 they went to plastic. And I have a set of green 66's that the ribbon trim around the base covers was the interior color (aqua). Never saw that in the later years, they were all chrome.

[71SS]

Thanks for the info. It will be added to the list.
Dan

[chevynuts88]

The bottom of the bucket seats [replacement plastic pieces] from 66, 67,s fit the 68,s also.

[Lugnut-5]

I had the oppertunity to get some pix's of a one owner '70 with buckets. It was at my friend's upholstery shop with the interior out and bare to the floor. It had the (4) individual mounting pad as previously described as '68. This is confusing but I'm positive this car is 100% original.

I also measured the height of the pads. The inside front and rear were lower (approx. 1/2" front and 3/4" rear). This indicates to me that the '70 SS seats/tracks shown in a previous post might be correct for these mounts.

The "over the tunnel" mounts I have measured required level mounting seat rails. These would not work with the '70 seat rails shown in the previous post.

I'm no expert by any meens but I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure it out. I could poast my '70 seat mount pix if someone will have to tell me how. I'm unsuccesful so far. - - - Jim

[71SS]

Jim (Lugnut-5)
Where in Ohio are you located? If you're close by to Fremont, you need to come look at what I have sitting around here and I'll change your mind.

Here's a thread on how to post pics.
http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27716

I use webshots and post a link to the pics there.

Dan

[Lugnut-5]

Dan,
Thanks for the info. PM me at jhester2@earthlink.net. I'm about hour away.
Jim

[mikeynoval78]

I have 3 factory bucket seat cars I will get some pic's with measurements and post them from what I have found converting a friends bench seat car to a bucket seat car with the proper brackets is the brackets on the floor and seat are staggered the center brackets (hump) are about one inch towards the back of the car. If you look at the bottom of a seat with the tracks on it you can see they are staggered as well. I am not sure but I am thinking this may be one of the difference's between the chevelle tracks how they bolt to the bottom of the seat if they are square under the seat it would through off the seat height I still have to confirm that but I do not have a chevelle to compare it to if anyone else can check it out let me know I also have an extra set of original bucket seat tracks if anyone is in need PM me I hope this helps dan PM me exactly what you are looking for . thanks

[mikeynoval78]

I meant to say I have a set of bucket seat floor brackets not seat tracks sorry for the mistake

[higleyml]

This thread has been very helpful to me. I have a set of seats just like the 70 Nova SS seats that 71SS posted but when I measured the mounts they are A body mounts 15" front to back and 13" side to side (listed in the seat mount section). Will a set of X body mounts fit these seats or should i just customize some mounts and go with what i have? I'm mounting in a 69 Nova that currently has no bucket seat mounts.:beer:

[71SS]

If you have no mounts, you could use the goodmark mounts and weld them in to fit the tracks you have. You will have to shim a couple of the corners to get the seats level. Otherwise, you are stuck buying 68-71 Nova tracks, which there is a set on ebay right now.

[higleyml]

So is it correct that the bucket seat mounts just lay on the floor boards and go over the tunnel with pads for the outside (door side) mounts? Are they connected to the under floor supports or just welded into place on top? Thanks 71 for all your help.

[71SS]

Mike, To answer the question you have on the bucket seat mounts.

From what we've found...

68 Nova mounts were 4 pads on each side as shown in this pic from jason 68 L78

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g231/dans71/Nova%20Bucket%20Seat%20Mounts/68Novabucketfloormounts4.jpg




69-71 mounts were 2 pads on the outside. Then the insides were on a saddle that went over the hump as shown in this pic from my 70

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g231/dans71/Nova%20Bucket%20Seat%20Mounts/California70SS028.jpg




72 and up were the same as 69-71 with the exception of the placement of the studs and the design of the outside brackets are different. pic courtesy of 2slow72

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g231/dans71/Nova%20Bucket%20Seat%20Mounts/73bucketmountspsfrom2slow72.jpg

They are all welded into place on the floorboards and 72 and up are bolted as well on the outside mounts.

[higleyml]

Dan, thank you so much for this help! I'm sorry about the lack of PM response, had some unexpected guest and never checked the site last night. Ok with this info Goodmark only list the 68 pad style mounts. Does anyone have a good source for the 69-71 style mounts new or used? I know i havent told you guys this but this site is great!

Mike:chev: :beer:

[TJ4FA]

Seat adjuster part number info for 1973-79 Novas taken from the 1981 Mitchell Manuals, Inc. Domestic Collision Estimating Guide:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c296/Mad4Morgans/SeatTracks.jpg

[slickman]

This is the site link I used to verify that the seats in my 72 are from a 1970 Nova.

Don't forget the brochure input for ID'ing seats... :)
http://www.classicnovas.net/brochure/index.htm

[oldsweed]

Don't forget the brochure input for ID'ing seats... :)
http://www.classicnovas.net/brochure/index.htm

Hey Man: I LOVE LOVE LOVE, the color on your Nova. Could you possibly give mean the name and brand and part number of that color??
Thanks,
Oldsweed: 67 Nova; 350 TH350 soon to be 12 bolt

[oldsweed]

Don't forget the brochure input for ID'ing seats... :)
http://www.classicnovas.net/brochure/index.htm

HI Maxturbo:
I really LOVE the color on your Nova. Could you possibly tell me the color name,brand, & part number? I would really appreciate it. Thanks,
oldsweed: 350 TH350; soon to be 12 bolt

[just chevy]

i know where a 67 2 dr hardtop is no interior, it had bucket seats in it at one time from the factory, can any one tell me if novas that had factory buckseats in them, where all SS cars thanks

[2doorpost]

And What year Hi-Backs am I looking at in My 73?

[71SS]

The only difference I've seen in the high backs are the button locations and I can not tell which is which.
But is that a tag I see on the seat bottom or just an old candy wrapper?
Maybe a clue there.

[2doorpost]

The clue was ..........Its too cold out to pull the Walmart seat cover all the way off the seat!!!!!!!!!!! Thats what the tag was from (or the seats are from Walmart..one of the two.)

I found an eBay auction that had a similar seat in it.claimed it was a 72 bucket...so....I'll run with that. Since the car is a 73...and its set up with the floor hump(no console) , it just might get a black set of seat covers. That'll make shifting that vertigate a little easier than going into a split bench setup.

I wanted to go outside and pull the axle codes and other info off the car for reference (its ALL there)...but....not today.

Send some warmth east...will ya?

[Gloryhound]

Houston we have a problem. As a lot of you know I am stripping a 74 down as a parts car. I cut the bucket seat brackets out and when I took them over to my 72 project and compared them I noticed they were different. In my 72 SS the outer brackets look like the pictures of the outers for pre 72. Then you go to the inner brackets that cross over the hump and mine do not have the same mounting post as either of the sets pre or post 72. So that got me thinking some more and I brought the seat tracks from the 74 over and what do you know they are about 1/4" maybe 1/2" to long.:eek: So that brought me back up to the house and searching my parts books to get an answer. Well The part number for 72 bucket seat tracks is different than the tracks for 73 to 75. So where does this leave the 72? Is it a one year only seat track and floor mount system?:confused:

[71SS]

Gloryhound,
Very interesting. I never thought to check the distances, just took it for granted that 72 and up were the same.
Make sure to keep this one in the books.

[71SS]

Here's some info from a thread we had once on track sizes.

From Jason 68 L78

My car is a 68 with bucket seats the brackets were never removed so I hope these pictures will help everyone with questions on the 68-71 bucket seat tracks. The track with the lever measures 14 inches ctc and the inner track measures 14.5 inches ctc. 12 inches between them.
Measured the height for you. Inside track front measures 3.5 inches high the back measures 3 inches. Outside track the one with the handle front measures 3 inches and the back measures 2.5 inches. This is from the bottom of the mounting bracket to the top of the track hope this helps.


Here's my measurements

Here's the measurements for the height of each mount.
Measurements are from the brace the track bolts to the bottom of the track mount. pics show them upside down.
Inside track front mount 3-1/2"
Inside track back mount 2-3/4"
Outside track front mount 2-5/8"
Outside track rear mount 2-1/2"

[Joe Buddy]

One thing I have noticed about '66-67 bucket seats;the
molding trim on the metal back is chrome, and the bottom
metal sides is black with silver bullets on the ends. All I
have seen have black seats so I'm not sure about other
colors on the bottom. I never noticed until a friend pointed it out. I have original 67's and his is '66 SS. Is
colored molding trim available? I don't see it in any of
my catalogs. Joe Buddy

[NovaBoy63]

Would anyone know of anybody selling some buckets from a nova? My friend Todd is looking for Nova buckets for his 72 SS. He says any condition is ok! any info will be appreciated! Thanks! NovaBoy

[blue66deucex2]

I feel like a I'm beating a dead seat or maybe it's a horse? Over the last couple of days, I've researched and looked over a lot of threads, but I can't seem to find any pics of the seats and seat tracks. I have a couple of sets that I think are 72 buckets. Any pics would be greatly appreciated or if someone can set me straight that would be great. Here's a couple of pics and the seat tracks bolts mounting looks like about 14 1/2.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t170/novasrus1/68%20to%2072%20b%20seat/005.jpg




http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t170/novasrus1/68%20to%2072%20b%20seat/004-1.jpg




http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t170/novasrus1/68%20to%2072%20b%20seat/002-1.jpg

[1974_SS]

DO YOU STILL HAVE THE 74 NOVA BUCKET SEAT TRACKS FOR SALE? IF SO CAN YOU EMAIL ME AT oldshurst79@yahoo.com


Here are some original 74 Nova buckets.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c154/onequiknova/E5A002.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c154/onequiknova/E5A001.jpg

I've also got a set of 74 seat tracks in storage. Next time I'm there I'll snap some pics if you still need them.

John

[bigdaddykane]

hi, can someone who has a 69,70,or 71 nova with factory optioned bucket seats in there car take a measurement for me? lets say your looking at the passenger side seat studs that are sticking up, i need to how far apart they are from each other (centerline to centerline). i need the X measurement , and the across from each other measurement, and the front to back measurement. i appreciate any help, thanks so much
i believe one of my studs may be in the wrong place and need to check it
thanks again



69-71 mounts were 2 pads on the outside. Then the insides were on a saddle that went over the hump as shown in this pic taken from a 1970 nova

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g231/dans71/Nova%20Bucket%20Seat%20Mounts/California70SS028.jpg

[71SS]

This should give you what you need. If you need any others, let me know as I have the buckets out of mine.

http://www.novashop.net/info/console.htm

[bigdaddykane]

Hey there 71SS,
just curious, is that your site and your car? i saw the seat measurement pic, thanks so much! i wanted to ask, are those seat stud measurements the same on both pass and drivers side? also the rear over the hump brace shows 2 studs on each side, howcome? thanks so much

This should give you what you need. If you need any others, let me know as I have the buckets out of mine.

http://www.novashop.net/info/console.htm

[bigdaddykane]

i measured my studs from left to right across and the foward studs are 14 1/16" across while rearward studs measure 12" across! howcome? i can tell there original factory welded in, plus i have the build sheet with the A51 strato bucket seat option on it... is it possible there is 2 locations for the 69 year? and why do the seat track have 2 slots at the back of them? thanks

[71SS]

Tony,
The site is not mine, it belongs to NovaShop.net, another member here. The last picture of the floorboard is mine from a 70 Nova I have now.

I'm not sure what you mean by two studs in the rear, there is only one stud on each side. AS for measurements, I never measured side to side, that is interesting. Why, I guess that's the way Chevy did it. I really doubt there was two different measurements for any year, that'd be a manufacturing hassle for something that is the same. Also, I have no idea as to the two holes in the 2 holes in the track, always wondered that mineself.

The measurement from front to rear is the important one. This is one the items makes 68 to 71 Nova buckets seat tracks different. The other item is the feet are different heights.

Did you read alll the way through this thread? There is a lot of information in here about the tracsk and seats.

[bigdaddykane]

Hey there,
i printed out a copy of nova shops seat stud drawing to compare on my car and mine dont match those measurements from nova shop. my seat mounts look like your 70 car too(mines a 69 nova ss w/factory equipped A51). the two studs in the rear means that for one seat you have one stud on the left side for one track and another stud on the right side for the other track which would hold the one seat for one side of the car. i like to measure side to side, front to back, and in a X pattern. by doing that it ensures 100% of the placement of the seat mounting studs. just makes it more accurrate... i think im going to hyjack nova shops picture showing those measurements and put my measurements in place so i can show you and you can compare it with your nova. the only thing is im going to give all 3 types of measurements like i just mentioned above. side to side, front to rear, and X pattern(crossed)... i think all those 3 types of measuremetns are very critical in order to be very accurrate.
i have read this entire thread but it still did not help my situation... the only thing i noticed was there was one other guy with a similar problem.... i paid a crap load of money for my buckets seats and they dont not fit my car.... incase your wondering why i had to by seats, well when i bought the car the previous owner sway out the factory buckets for a pair of 69 camaro deluxe seats.... i want the right seat back in there now...
thanks so much

Tony,
The site is not mine, it belongs to NovaShop.net, another member here. The last picture of the floorboard is mine from a 70 Nova I have now.

I'm not sure what you mean by two studs in the rear, there is only one stud on each side. AS for measurements, I never measured side to side, that is interesting. Why, I guess that's the way Chevy did it. I really doubt there was two different measurements for any year, that'd be a manufacturing hassle for something that is the same. Also, I have no idea as to the two holes in the 2 holes in the track, always wondered that mineself.

The measurement from front to rear is the important one. This is one the items makes 68 to 71 Nova buckets seat tracks different. The other item is the feet are different heights.

Did you read alll the way through this thread? There is a lot of information in here about the tracsk and seats.

[71SS]

If your seat mounts are factory welded in then I'd say you have the wrong tracks. 68 to 71 tracks are one of a kind.

[bigdaddykane]

hi, yes my seat mounts are factory welded in (you can tell by the way it looks) and i also have the build sheet from the car showing the A51 option on it too. i also think i have the wrong tracks. is it only nova tracks that lean to the side? or was there another car that had tracks that leaned to the side to? can i ask for your email address so i can send you some pictures please? im having trouble posting them here currently. maybe you can post them up to if you like. thanks, let me know

If your seat mounts are factory welded in then I'd say you have the wrong tracks. 68 to 71 tracks are one of a kind.