Barn Find - Well more like Carport!

A few weeks ago a freind of my father in law gave us a tip about a rare 1969 Nova (Copo or BM) that he knew about. Anyway, the owner passed away a few weeks ago and I was able to get in touch with his wife to take a look at what he had. We got permission and low and behold look what I found.
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/th_P8130209.jpg (http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/?action=view&current=P8130209.jpg)

Lifted up the tarp and things got interesting....
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/th_P8130210.jpg (http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/?action=view&current=P8130210.jpg)

A closer inspection and I could not believe my eyes.
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/th_P8130220.jpg (http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/?action=view&current=P8130220.jpg)

More details on the way. This car has been in this carport for the last thirty years untouched according to his wife. Unreal.

A few weeks ago a freind of my father in law gave us a tip about a rare 1969 Nova (Copo or BM) that he knew about. Anyway, the owner passed away a few weeks ago and I was able to get in touch with his wife to take a look at what he had. We got permission and low and behold look what I found.
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/P8130209.jpg (http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/?action=view&current=P8130209.jpg)

Lifted up the tarp and things got interesting....
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/P8130210.jpg (http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/?action=view&current=P8130210.jpg)

A closer inspection and I could not believe my eyes.
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/P8130220.jpg (http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/?action=view&current=P8130220.jpg)

More details on the way. This car has been in this carport for the last thirty years untouched according to his wife. Unreal.

I didn't think Novas ever got the 427 from the factory... Hope you don't mind I changed your thumbnails to full size images.

Not from the factory but Copos and yenkos got converted (edit dont think copos or yenkos were ss cars)
Did ya make an offer!!!!! Maybe the old lady dosent know what its worth, you may have a glod mine there:eek::eek:

I think this thread is about to get very busy......

Don't mind at all.
I have more pictures on the way.

Have you BOUGHT IT YET?????
What a FIND!!!! :yes::yes::yes::yes:

That wouldn't happen to be in Pinellas Park would it? I know of a rumored big block 427 Nova in Pinellas Park that the owner just died about a month ago. Did he also have a beat up Motion Camaro?

For God's sake, whoever does get it, please salvage that vintage custom paint job, that makes the car! (there are experts now who can replicate the patina if you need to fix some areas, but try not to paint over the whole thing!) And don't go throwing modern radials on it:rolleyes:, try to get very era specific on the wheels and tires, some American T-70s or Daisy spokes are very early 70s, and you can get a variety of Goodyear Polyglas tires from Coker (no points taken off if you avoid really wide ones and don't jack the back up, and you can leave off any side pipes!). This will be the coolest Gen 3 out there if you do it right though!

for god's sake, whoever does get it, please salvage that vintage custom paint job, that makes the car! (there are experts now who can replicate the patina if you need to fix some areas, but try not to paint over the whole thing!) and don't go throwing modern radials on it:rolleyes:, try to get very era specific on the wheels and tires, some american t-70s or daisy spokes are very early 70s, and you can get a variety of goodyear polyglas tires from coker (no points taken off if you avoid really wide ones and don't jack the back up, and you can leave off any side pipes!).
Which way would that be again??
this will be the coolest gen 3 out there if you do it right though!
:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d

Can't wait for more pics of that paint job.

:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d

Hmmm, not sure how to take that response (are we talking :d:d:d:d like Carlos Mencias, that's actually not cool.....) - if I wasn't clear, I was trying to say that the paint job is unique and a part of history (and really bitchin' in my opinion); people get a little "restoration" crazy sometimes - depending on it's condition it could likely be saved or it might be worth trying to document and duplicate (people have made the grave error of painting over "priceless" Von Dutch pinstriping jobs in the name of "restoration"). What I was also trying to say is that period correct custom wheels and tires would be appropriate, but if someone were to leave off some of the tackier custom trends of the time like sidepipes and jacked up rear-ends, I don't think you could fault him for that. Is that better?:awkward:

Not from the factory but Copos and yenkos got converted (edit dont think copos or yenkos were ss cars)
Did ya make an offer!!!!! Maybe the old lady dosent know what its worth, you may have a glod mine there:eek::eek:

there are a lot of people even a owner of Wanamaker Chevrolet In Orangeburg, SC will tell you they ordered Nova's impalas Chevelles all day long with 396,427 & 454's.

All they had to do was call the order desk. If engine as available you got it.

And I know for a fact there is a 427 BBC Nova is Charleston Sc that is not a SS. And thats how is came!

Argue, stop your feet do what ever you want. It's true.

Al

I just hope the dude gets the car...:yes::yes::yes:
If that is a real 427 car with matching motor....holy craaap! And just think if the build sheet were still in it....:eek::eek::eek:

that nova looks incredible, :yes:

Not from the factory but Copos and yenkos got converted (edit dont think copos or yenkos were ss cars)
Did ya make an offer!!!!! Maybe the old lady dosent know what its worth, you may have a glod mine there:eek::eek:

The 69 Yenko 427 cars were converted from SS 396 L78 vehicles....the only COPO Novas were the 50 Gibb 68 L78/TH400 cars and the 70 Yenko Deuce with the LT-1 small block.

There were obviously any number of dealer installed 427 cars done by the big name shops of the day....and probably a fair number of lesser known dealers as well. Once you get some more photos and details the story will come together...very cool find. Good luck with it..

wilma :yes:

I had a dream about this once, maybe twice. Great find, someone needs to buy this car and post the hell out of it.

Here is another picture of the car on the trailer. Could not let this pass me by. As I start to take the car apart for restoration it amazes me how good this car has held up over the years. Hardly any rust at all and the black vinyl top is near perfect. I found some drag racing time slips in the glove box dating back to 1972. Apparently, the car has been parked and has not moved in over 30 years. The blue tarp over it had a chain that went over the roof thru the side door handles and under the car and was pad locked. The hood was also chained and pad locked as well. I found some old photographs of the car in April of 1972 in stock form (Garnet Red) and a later photo of the car with the cragars on it and the new paint. I am really excited about restoring this one. Should be real fun. BTW, found partial build sheet of the car wrapped around the rear seat frame.:eek::eek:

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/P8140231.jpg

Here are two more pictures.

On the lift with correct 12 bolt 3.55
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/P8140244.jpg

Front badges.
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/P8140235.jpg

so, what did you steal it for?

and please, keep the pics coming! thanks for sharing.

awesome car and story.

POP DAT HOOD:mad::mad::mad:

yea....I mean I know its 11pm but with that giant overhead light on the garage wall and some flash on the camera, I'm sure you can post a motor teaser pic before you go to bed. If you just got the thing today, I'm sure you're out there playing with it.

Absolutely amazing!!! You lucky #$%. Good for you. Still gives us all hope that there are still some barns filled with these gems. I am soooo jealous.

This is AWESOME!!!! Please,please,please keep the pictures coming and keep us updated!!:yes:

Nothing to be jealous about. This is probably just good karma for some good deeds you have done in the past. Now, let's see that RAT!

Well, hate to burst everyone's bubble but the car is not an original 427 car. It has the original 396/375 motor with M22 and 12 bolt. Apparently sometime after 1972 the car was repainted and drag raced for a little then parked and forgotten.
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/P8130219.jpg

The interior of the car is near perfect.
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One more.
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/P8140234.jpg

It may not be a 427, but it is a mostly unmolested original 396/375 car that has the original motor, trans and driveline with some cool history.

Well, hate to burst everyone's bubble but the car is not an original 427 car. It has the original 396/375 motor with M22 and 12 bolt. Apparently sometime after 1972 the car was repainted and drag raced for a little then parked and forgotten.

It may not be a 427, but it is a mostly unmolested original 396/375 car that has the original motor, trans and driveline with some cool history.

Didn't burst my bubble, It is stilll a great find and a great car with documented history...good for you, hope you do her proud......


T,

still a sick find. congrats.

Well, hate to burst everyone's bubble but the car is not an original 427 car. It has the original 396/375 motor with M22 and 12 bolt.

Oh, man, that really sucks. Time to send it to the scrap heap. Shame you wasted your time on it. :(


KIDDING OF COURSE! A '69 L78 M22 is awesome in its own right!!

With that - it would be interesting to know why it has the 427 badges on it......:yes::yes::yes:

It's still a great numbers matching find and I'm still jealous!...:devil:

After looking around the shop for awhile, I found the original big block fan blade for it on a shelf. That was pretty cool.

After all the discussion on paint and so forth, what are your plans for a restoration? I would still put in my vote to save the paint that's on there (it looks even better in the later pictures you posted) and keep it totally period correct in terms of some slight mods from stock (wheels & tires, etc). That car is an ultimate survivor, I would go slowly before doing much either way, but curious what you think the best way to go is. Great, great find, good luck with it!!

After all the discussion on paint and so forth, what are your plans for a restoration? I would still put in my vote to save the paint that's on there (it looks even better in the later pictures you posted) and keep it totally period correct in terms of some slight mods from stock (wheels & tires, etc). That car is an ultimate survivor, I would go slowly before doing much either way, but curious what you think the best way to go is. Great, great find, good luck with it!!

i agree. keep it just the way it is! :yes:

In fact, Stinger 396, can you post up a quick full picture of your car? If my eyes don't deceive me, looks like you've got some Americans and a nice stance going on your car, that would be a perfect look the the barn/carport find!

Awww...it's not a dealer 427, *only* an L78 with the original drivetrain? Man, that really sucks. I feel for ya...

:D:D

What a find! That thar's a time capsule. Very cool...

very nice find. you are lucky to be at the right place at the right time...congrats. jim

I wonder if it has been bored out to 427 CID.

Either way it's a great find, keep us updated with any work you do. That is a great piece of history!!:yes:

In fact, Stinger 396, can you post up a quick full picture of your car? If my eyes don't deceive me, looks like you've got some Americans and a nice stance going on your car, that would be a perfect look the the barn/carport find!

yup there Americans! this is a old pic before the quarters came off, in the process of doing those now along with my new rear bumper and weather stripping.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii178/Black_Wolf929/Nova%20Stuff%20SNS/spring-summer09113.jpg

sorry i am getting tired of other people with the barn finds!
j/k!

but it sure the hell is my (and a lot of other peoples) turn!

man...

do you pray a lot...?
do you do an indian nova chicken dance?!
how did you do it?

no really though, good for you.
i think we all were pulling for you to tell us it had a 427.

any news on that build sheet?

any news on that build sheet?

I was gonna ask the same thing.:yes:

Aw man. Not a 427? I would park that thing down along the curb and forget about it. By the way, what was your address again? :devil:. Just kiddin. Still a great find. Congratulations. Do us all a favor. Please take and post pics of the resto often.

I appreciate all the comments.
As far as restoration, I am torn. I love the originality of older cars especially the no frills look to a high horse car. The car really looks like a grocery getter. But in the same breathe the fact that the car was solely built and purchased to drag race and has a drag racing history is another factor to consider. I found an extra set of the Cragar "gold" SST wheels that were on the car that are perfect. So I would love for those to be on the car at some point. I have some pictures of the car taken by the original owner back in early 72' as stock as could be. I also have a picture of it after the modifications to it. It still has traction bars and is plane jane on the inside. Underneath the red shag carpet that was in the car the original vinyl floor is still there in perfect condition. So before I start going crazy with taking it apart I really need to figure out what I am doing with it.

As far as the 427 thing I am not sure about being bored out. Haven't taken the heads off yet. The heads are the original to the motor. But the intake is an 069 from a 66' 427 so it is possible. I really hope that no work to the motor was done. Would love for it to be "stock". BTW, I did find the original intake as well in the shop. The owner threw away nothing at all.

I basically need a carb 4346 and 499 distrubuter and some small items other than that it is all there.

This leads me to one of my many questions that will be following for the big block nova experts. The front stabilizer bar has been removed on this car. It was used for drag racing... I have another 396 car and the stabilizer bar measures 1" diameter (really 1", I measured it several times) I have heard of 9/16" and 11/16" for the F41 option, what is the correct diameter? Is it 9/16" typical for a big block car and 11/16" for the F41 option? If so, how in the world does my other car have a 1" diameter bar? What could be an explaination for it?

My small block 350 SS came with an 11/16" front bar. It's pretty skinny. I do not have F41. I could be wrong but can't imagine them using that bar on a F41 setup. But....who knows.

Is the 1" bar in your BB car original for sure?

Any chance the original bar is still in that carport under all that stuff?

Trunk paint pictures...post please!

nice car! as far as the sawy bar goes, 11/16" was normally used in all applications except special order which was the 13/16" thicker bar. to my knowledge, F41 did not appear as an option untill 1970....you can confirm this by checking your 1969 nova assembly maunal (its not in there but it is in the 70 manual as an option).....

Both my 69 BB cars have 11/16 bars in them, does the car have 4 or 5 rear leafs?

As for the resto, you can't go wrong unless you cut the body to customize it, IMO, if it just bolt ons, then do it the way you like. It can always be put back. My car in my signature below was the same deal, who ever bought it, bought to race, the floor has the scars to prove it :rolleyes: and the car has no options except the BB 4spd, 12 bolt. It's a bench seat car with the traction bars on it from back in the day, from what I understand it was paint 20+ years ago and shoved in a barn and forgotten about until I found it a few years ago. I chose to keep it as stock looking as possible, the engine is a 396 from a 72 Monte with LS6 heads, but everything else has been put back as close to OE as possible. I recently put a set of steel wheels and dog dish caps on it.

Keep us posted and feel free to ask what ever you need, 69's are my specialty!:yes:

Way awesome story no matter what engine is in it. I hope you didn't steal it from the widow woman. Keep the pictures and information coming. Congrats

My 70 L/78 has a 13/16 bar. I know it's correct for 70. Not sure about 69.

My 70 L/78 has a 13/16 bar. I know it's correct for 70. Not sure about 69.

Do you have F40 or F41 suspension?

My 72 Nova SS has the F41 setup with a 13/16 front bar.That 1" bar must have been added at one time.My vote would be, give it a good cleaning,get it running and then drive the car.I'm a big fan of the survivor cars for i have one myself,so keep it the way it is and enjoy driving it.:yes:

Well, hate to burst everyone's bubble but the car is not an original 427 car. It has the original 396/375 motor with M22 and 12 bolt. Apparently sometime after 1972 the car was repainted and drag raced for a little then parked and forgotten.
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It may not be a 427, but it is a mostly unmolested original 396/375 car that has the original motor, trans and driveline with some cool history.

If I am not mistaken, 396's were in reality 402's....and even the cheesiest dragracer would not have added 427 badging if it wasn't a 427...so I am thinking that the engine has been stroked/bored perhaps?

GerryLP:cool:

p.s. Lets not forget that original 396's were not grown on tress, so it still a great find. I want one!!!:devil:eek::devil::rolleyes::D

Any idea who the original dealer was? That could be interesting. Yenko deuces sold in IL. have been found in FLA. What is the code on the rear end? That will tell you what the factory ratio was if it's the original rear.
A 69 272 block would not have enough meat to bore to 427. 272's were actually pretty thin for .60 over. You'd have needed the early 66 block that the intake came from to maybe bore that far.
Is the radiator tag still there. I'd be interesed to know the code. ZD would be about right
There's been much discussion on the 5, or 4 leaf set up for Novas. I personally believe 5 was standard for the performance option on Novas.I believe 4 was a Z28 handling setup.
Have you checked for 837 alt, 499 dist? Have you confirmed the partial vin on the block matches the vin on the car? It should have a JH stamped by that partial vin too.
You found a really cool piece there. If you have questions don't hesitate to ask.
Schonye, Schoenthaler Restorations
Deuce Heaven, Donahue Ia.
Schonyenko2@aol.com

If I am not mistaken, 396's were in reality 402's....and even the cheesiest dragracer would not have added 427 badging if it wasn't a 427...so I am thinking that the engine has been stroked/bored perhaps?

GerryLP:cool:

p.s. Lets not forget that original 396's were not grown on tress, so it still a great find. I want one!!!:devil:eek::devil::rolleyes::D

The 402's started in 70, 68 & 9 were 396.

I would drive it as is.

The rad tag is there and is ZD. It has 5 leaf springs and the block is JH with the par.tial vin matching the car is on the stamp pad.

Schonyenko2,

This car has a vinyl floor, is the original vinyl floor two pieces or is it a one piece pad like the carpet would be? I haven't taken the front seat out, but it appears that the vinyl flooring is two pieces. It doesn't look to have been removed either.

Thanks.

My car is came with the original vinyl floor and is a bench seat car. The floor is two pieces and will be date stamped. Mine for instance had 68 stamped on it.

BE CAREFUL REMOVING IT, IT WILL RIP EASILY BEING THAT OLD!

Keep an eye out for your build sheet, it's usually under the rear seat, but they've been found in other places too.:yes:

The excitement is building. I'm really curious as to what engine is really there.

They are correct on both questions. Yes, it's a two piece, and they are very brittle. Two people working together works well so you don't get ay kinks in it. It there any simulated chrome around the dome light, or a detent plunger in the right door jamb area? If not she was a pretty bargain basement go fast machine.
If it shows JH on the frt pad, and the partial vin on that pad matches the vin on the dash, then it has the original motor which would be coded (JH) for 375hp 396 4 spd.

The 402's started in 70, 68 & 9 were 396.

Yep, and the 854 blocks will punch out easy to a 427.

The 402's started in 70, 68 & 9 were 396.

No Taz, what I mean is that the badged 396's were actually displacing 402 cubic inches. I believe that's how it was...:confused::confused::o:rolleyes::D, Que no?

Do you mean that the 396 displaced 396 (and not 402) before 1970?:confused::confused:

GerryLP:cool:

oops....:o...never mind. I went to NovaResource dot org. IAW my calculator, 4.094 X 3.75 (diameter x stroke) is about 395. So they were rounded up for badging before 1970, I guess. :rolleyes:

GerryLP:cool:

Before you get all crazy and decide to tear into it i suggest you call up Hot rod, Super chevy or Muscle car review. any other top magazine maker and have them get a story on it and take some pictures of it :yes:

I would LOVE to read about this car in a magazine!

I completely agree it would be sick to read about this in a magazine and have tons of pics!

I would LOVE to read about this car in a magazine!

Forget that...I'd love to read more about it RIGHT HERE!!!!

Well the plot thickens... Today I went over to the ranch to do a little work on the car. I wanted to remove the rest of the horrible red shag carpet on the front of the car. I removed the screws holding down the shift ring/boot on the hurst shifter. Had to remove a few screws holding down the door sill moldings. I yanked out, well carefully removed the carpet and then shop vacced the dirt and junk out of the car. I found a couple of screw drivers, wrenches, a nice black comb and some toothpicks under the front bench seat. So I stick my head under the seat to make sure I got everything and I see something hanging down from the bottom of the bench seat on the drivers side. Now as I mentioned earlier I found the first half of the broadcast sheet in the back of the rear seat. That really didn't tell me anything more than tinted front glass, body side moldings and custom vinyl top. So I take a closer look and bingo the complete broadcast sheet intact. :eek:It is a true L78 car with a M20 transmission. Quick question: if the broadcast sheet has L78 does that automatically imply SS with the Z26. Because the broadcast sheet has L78 but not Z26?

I did check the block and it has the JH code and corresponding Vin number of the car. I took some more pictures and when I get a chance to upload them I will post to the site.

The car gets better and better as I dig for more info. I am still hoping that the wife has additional paperwork on the car. She said she would stay in touch if anything popped up.

It doesn't get any better than that. Enjoy!

Okay got a question. I have been looking at previous posts on this site about build sheets. On the build sheet I found today it says M20. I found a M22 with the partial vin # of the car I have. Is it possible to have M20 on the broadcast sheet and a M22 was put in the car?

In a previous discussion on a L78 car it was said that they put M20 on the broadcast sheet to let them know to put the hole in the floor for the shifter and that it is entirely possible that M20 was on the sheet and a M21 or M22 was the original transmission?

Any info on this? Thanks.

Okay got a question. I have been looking at previous posts on this site about build sheets. On the build sheet I found today it says M20. I found a M22 with the partial vin # of the car I have. Is it possible to have M20 on the broadcast sheet and a M22 was put in the car?

In a previous discussion on a L78 car it was said that they put M20 on the broadcast sheet to let them know to put the hole in the floor for the shifter and that it is entirely possible that M20 was on the sheet and a M21 or M22 was the original transmission?

Any info on this? Thanks.

How did you determin it is an M22? The trany VINs are on a stamped piece of metal that is easy to move from one trany to another. It is also easy to to change the gear set.

I don't know the answer to your second question.

did you check to see if the partial VIN stamped on the aluminum tranny case part matches the VIN on the dash?

We opened up the side cover of the tranny and it has the M22 gears. I wouldn't think that the transmission would be modified like that and then a saginaw with scatter sheild end up in the car?

a 69 Nova Fischer body build sheet will not designate the actual trans (M20,21 or 22) as you surmised, just M20 to indicate that a hole had to be cut in the floor, for floor mounted 4spd trans. If you find the Protecto plate, or in very rare cases, the complete broadcast sheet, that would designate the actual tranny option installed, if the VIN stamp matches the block and the dates correspond, I'd say it's the original. Nice find and good luck with it. SULLY

Awesome find!! Hey shag carpeting was common back then,in door out door,LOL...My first car I had in the spring of 1974 had Red Shag,it was a Lemans Blue with STD black interior 1969 SS396 (Corvette 427 L72 Block) Camaro 4speed.Yes thats right about the M20 code on the build sheet.Funny how they picked the M20 code,standard trans for the 331 and 355 gears in at least the 1968 Nova SS 396 4speed cars. I often wonder though if anyone had a Non SS build sheet from a V8 4 speed 1968 or 1969 Nova.Wonder what code they used for the 3 speed floor shift Novas?

The L78 automatically denotes an SS, RPO Z26 and you had to order the optional disc brake (J52) option in 69 when you ordered the L78.

Does the exterior code stamping match up to an M22 as well on the tranny case?
Casting # 3925660 and the letter "C" should be there too at the end of the ID stamping for an M22.

So does the L78 RPO on th broadcast sheet imply an SS? If so that would mean that the SS RPO would not need to be on the broadcast sheet?

So does the L78 RPO on th broadcast sheet imply an SS? If so that would mean that the SS RPO would not need to be on the broadcast sheet?

It is very possible, because even the BB Yenko cars were SS's, so the only way to get the L78 option, you would get an SS. There are no known L78 or BB Novas that are not SS's.

oops....:o...never mind. I went to NovaResource dot org. IAW my calculator, 4.094 X 3.75 (diameter x stroke) is about 395. So they were rounded up for badging before 1970, I guess. :rolleyes:

GerryLP:cool:

Some FYI,

By 1970 GM bored the 396 .030 over (I've heard different reasons for this, left over castings needed more boring, to beat the insurance companies and to make more power) and the 396 was catchier then 402, so they opted to leave the badged as 396. I have one of each a 396 standard bore and 402 standard bore from 70 and the pistons do not interchange even though they are both standard bores.

Some more pictures.
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Great pics, thanks for sharing them.

You'll notice the shifter sit in the middle of the tunnel, originally they sat more to the left. You'll probably find the floor was cut to fit that shifter, it's probably correct for a console car rather then a non console car.

Have you decided what your game plan is going to be?

Great find, I like the paint ! how well will the paint clean up ?


Tommy :)

Look on the side case of the muncie should be stamp A MEANS M20 B M21 C M22 right after the date code.Like this for example P9E25C :rolleyes:.A early build 69 mite not have it that way but check there should be a metal tag on the side cover that tells you something to.And most m22 had fill and drain on the case because the fluid needed to be change more

No brite trim on the pedals. Probably no simulated chrome around the dome light. or a dome light switch for the pass door.
I would guess that the shifter is where it's at because it's a Hurst shifter, and possibly a super shifter. Somebody bought this as a cheap go fast car. Don't be surprised if when you pop the rear end cover you find something other than 3.55's Very cool air brush designs. We used to do that many years ago. I always thought they were cool. But I'm just an old dude.:D

Wow! that is very cool. That trunk paint takes me back to the old days, as Shoyne stated us old dudes. Deep purple in the 8 track, waiting for the rest of the song to come on from the next channel and an Old Style beer between the legs riding down the road with no cares.

I haven't been able to stop thinking about this car. What a great find. I even dreamt about it last night. How weird is that, I'm not sure I should have shared that.:o Nice job!:D

awsome find. now y cant I be that lucky.... :yes:

keep it unrestored!!!!!!!!

(excluding the drive-train of course)

That paint scheme is BADA****!

Similar old school style as the replacement hood I bought for my car.....Almost wanted to keep it but decided not to.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j151/walkerjay/body/hood.jpg

Do you have F40 or F41 suspension?

My 70 car was built in 02C so its to early for F-41. It does have the F-40 as all the BB's do.

I'd even keep the shag carpet, the comb, the toothpicks - EVERYTHING! Document everything, and even if it seems like trash, if it was in the car, KEEP IT just in case! When they restored the Hirohata Mercury (proabably the most famous George Barris custom of all time), they found old business cars of Bob Hirohata's stuffed in the areas around the dash, probably to prevent squeaks - they went right back in after the restoration, think about that.......

Moreeeeee!!

Moreeeeee!!

Yes please do so the rest us have something to dream about :yes:

Sweet find. Love that old paint.

I will keep you guys updated as I get further along. I really need to put on the brakes and take one project at a time. I started the black L78 first so I need to stay on that project.

BTW, this was sitting next to the Nova when we found it.
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/P8130211.jpg

My father in law wound up getting this car and a few others that were there as well as about 40 muncie transmissions, 50 carburetors, and as many camaro parts as two 24' long trailers could hold. The place was a parts gold mine.

This is still my all time favorite picture of them all. Blue tarp, chained and pad locked. Gotta love it.

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/P8130209.jpg

I will keep you guys updated as I get further along. I really need to put on the brakes and take one project at a time. I started the black L78 first so I need to stay on that project.

BTW, this was sitting next to the Nova when we found it.
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o457/nu2bamboo/P8130211.jpg

My father in law wound up getting this car and a few others that were there as well as about 40 muncie transmissions, 50 carburetors, and as many camaro parts as two 24' long trailers could hold. The place was a parts gold mine.

I'll take an M-21 along with a decent 4 barrel if you please. Thanks. Shall I PM you my mailing address?

I would like to see the paint all cleaned up because it looks perfect.

I dont know what to say whether to clean it or not. Ive been watching too much pawn stars.

I dont know whether you should just keep it dirty.