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Novaman Oscar
25th-June-2009, 04:57 PM
how do you get this sound? im looking to get that nice mild rumble or that cracking sound if you know what i mean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoH1-7sfg1A&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXGBbe9ahWM&feature=channel_page

fasteddie
25th-June-2009, 05:00 PM
Those are definetly flowmasters and a fairly healthy cam most likely on a tight lobe center like a 106 to a 108!

Novaman Oscar
25th-June-2009, 05:02 PM
Those are definetly flowmasters and a fairly healthy cam most likely on a tight lobe center like a 106 to a 108!

how would i do that with my 350? besides the flowmaster part :turn:

The Big Al
25th-June-2009, 05:10 PM
Money thats what makes that sound!

MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

http://s201.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid201.photobucket.com/albums/aa66/LV2BURNGAS/NOVASoundcheck4-08.flv&fs=1&os=1&ap=1

Novaman Oscar
25th-June-2009, 05:12 PM
Money thats what makes that sound!

MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

haha dam now thats a good answer :yes:

:clap::clap:

73NovaMan
25th-June-2009, 05:25 PM
Money thats what makes that sound!

MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

http://s201.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid201.photobucket.com/albums/aa66/LV2BURNGAS/NOVASoundcheck4-08.flv&fs=1&os=1&ap=1

Geeze Al, stay in your lane! your were all over that yellow line! lol

Despite your erratic driving you have one of the nicest nova's on here and you nailed it right on the head. :D

6NOVA4
25th-June-2009, 06:51 PM
how would i do that with my 350? besides the flowmaster part :turn:

yep a nice choppy cam and headers of course. plus a good tune on the carb and the right timing. for a 350 yes stay with 106-108 LSA.

Novaman Oscar
25th-June-2009, 07:45 PM
yep a nice choppy cam and headers of course. plus a good tune on the carb and the right timing. for a 350 yes stay with 106-108 LSA.

mmm any ideas on what though? im pretty noob at this :o

74 hatchback
25th-June-2009, 08:27 PM
My old 350 sounded just like that and i had hooker comp headers, 2.5 exhaust with H-pipe and a 230/.465/106 cam with sportsman2 heads and a 10.5 cr.

Novaman Oscar
25th-June-2009, 08:33 PM
My old 350 sounded just like that and i had hooker comp headers, 2.5 exhaust with H-pipe and a 230/.465/106 cam with sportsman2 heads and a 10.5 cr.

ya i know h pipes make it even better! i was planning on getting x pipes but mmm i do love sound :yes:

74 hatchback
25th-June-2009, 08:40 PM
ya i know h pipes make it even better! i was planning on getting x pipes but mmm i do love sound :yes:

That cool nasty sound is from the 106 LSA (cams overlap) dispite what other will say a tight overlap will also bleed off cylinder pressure at low rpm's to run pumpgas around town, this is how to get a 11 or 12 to 1 engine to run on 93/94 octane, but my engine didnt have any bottom or topend with that cam, it was all midrange and sound.

Novaman Oscar
25th-June-2009, 08:45 PM
That cool nasty sound is from the 106 LSA (cams overlap) dispite what other will say a tight overlap will also bleed off cylinder pressure at low rpm's to run pumpgas around town, this is how to get a 11 or 12 to 1 engine to run on 93/94 octane, but my engine didnt have any bottom or topend with that cam, it was all midrange and sound.

what kind of stuff would be needed to get something like that? i was looking at cam kits and such like this one

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CCA-K12-210-2/?image=large

74 hatchback
25th-June-2009, 08:55 PM
Cam i used was a CamDyamics hydralic 3/4 race (crane). you need to look at the lode separation angle on the cam specs and around 230duration @.050 valve lift. Its a ovaltrack/dragrace grind.

Novaman Oscar
25th-June-2009, 09:08 PM
Cam i used was a CamDyamics hydralic 3/4 race (crane). you need to look at the lode separation angle on the cam specs and around 230duration @.050 valve lift. Its a ovaltrack/dragrace grind.

dam i know nothing of that :o can you help me pick a cam and stuff? i was looking at kits to make it easy with the lifters and such but i need help

danthegeek
25th-June-2009, 09:21 PM
what kind of stuff would be needed to get something like that? i was looking at cam kits and such like this one

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CCA-K12-210-2/?image=large

Do you still have stock heads? I ask because no matter what you do, with stock big chamber heads = low compression. If you go putting a big cam in a low compression motor, it will sound like a tractor with a bad idle. You will also loose performance because your cylinder pressure will drop significantly.

If you could get a set of vortec modified heads, that will bring the compression up a lot. Then you could run a rumpity cam like this one.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/LUN-07102LK/

But for the sound, you need a good amount of compression. Thats why Al is right when he says MONEY!!

-Dan

Novaman Oscar
25th-June-2009, 09:25 PM
Do you still have stock heads? I ask because no matter what you do, with stock big chamber heads = low compression. If you go putting a big cam in a low compression motor, it will sound like a tractor with a bad idle. You will also loose performance because your cylinder pressure will drop significantly.

If you could get a set of vortec modified heads, that will bring the compression up a lot. Then you could run a rumpity cam like this one.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/LUN-07102LK/

But for the sound, you need a good amount of compression. Thats why Al is right when he says MONEY!!

-Dan

ya its still stock heads. dam i was always told that a mild cam and such would get me that nice rumble :yes:

Novaman Oscar
25th-June-2009, 10:55 PM
so to get that great rumble sound what do i need to get? ive heard a few with just a mild cam that sound very sweet, im not looking for serious hp right now im looking for something that sounds very nice :yes:

burty
25th-June-2009, 11:02 PM
Money thats what makes that sound!

MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

http://s201.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid201.photobucket.com/albums/aa66/LV2BURNGAS/NOVASoundcheck4-08.flv&fs=1&os=1&ap=1

Al, I have that same shifter in my car. I love it. Burt.

danthegeek
25th-June-2009, 11:10 PM
ya its still stock heads. dam i was always told that a mild cam and such would get me that nice rumble :yes:

It will rumble but it will sound more like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B-wQKSYV2E

Instead of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cth2BxzHLRQ

Novaman Oscar
25th-June-2009, 11:24 PM
It will rumble but it will sound more like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B-wQKSYV2E

Instead of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cth2BxzHLRQ

first video is bad quailty but i would bet it sound better in person..but ya something like that nice loud rumble

ckanderson
25th-June-2009, 11:57 PM
It will rumble but it will sound more like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B-wQKSYV2E

Instead of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cth2BxzHLRQ

second vid is ****in nice!

JRouche
25th-June-2009, 11:59 PM
Hmm, mine sounds a lil like the first vid. Actually really close..

I have a 355, edelbrock EFI, 3" exhaust all the way out. Edelbrock muffs, stainless steel units that I dont think they sell anymore. Home grown H-pipe. 10.5:1 compression with about a 750 idle RPM. Lumpy idle and snappy throttle right off idle. JR Oh, and a mild 7102 rpm cam, 1.6 rockers and 6" rods....

74 hatchback
26th-June-2009, 01:54 AM
easiest thing to do is get an ISKY racing cam summit# isk-201268 specs are:224/.450/107 its a 2000-6400 ovaltrack cam, will sound lopey but work with stock heads and convertor, but need to raise compression, get a cast set of old style LT-1 pistons (.100dome) and use your stock open 76cc heads, this will get you 9.7 cr. this combo will get you the sound, use an edelbrock rpm intake and a 750 eddy carb.

nova64000
26th-June-2009, 02:11 AM
A gear drive is what creates the whining sound....

Novaman Oscar
26th-June-2009, 05:21 AM
easiest thing to do is get an ISKY racing cam summit# isk-201268 specs are:224/.450/107 its a 2000-6400 ovaltrack cam, will sound lopey but work with stock heads and convertor, but need to raise compression, get a cast set of old style LT-1 pistons (.100dome) and use your stock open 76cc heads, this will get you 9.7 cr. this combo will get you the sound, use an edelbrock rpm intake and a 750 eddy carb.

where can i get these pistons?

74 hatchback
26th-June-2009, 11:41 AM
Found some standard size dom pistons at www.jegs.com for $31.99 each, item #844-11617cp and will get you 10.2cr but will need to run premium pump gas.

elblako91
26th-June-2009, 12:07 PM
are you going for something that sounds like this?

Heres a sound and a vid of mine. CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYMVg2P2LGY)

Novaman Oscar
26th-June-2009, 04:14 PM
are you going for something that sounds like this?

Heres a sound and a vid of mine. CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYMVg2P2LGY)

ahhh yes thats a great sound i love it! i bet it sounds different in person then it dose video

taz3
26th-June-2009, 05:06 PM
are you going for something that sounds like this?

Heres a sound and a vid of mine. CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYMVg2P2LGY)

Do you run an X or H pipe?

elblako91
26th-June-2009, 05:24 PM
Engine is a stock 400 small block with an edelbrock performer intake and a 750 cfm edelbrock carb. It has Summit1785 (http://summitracing.com/parts/SUM-1785/) camshaft in it and dumps into hooker comp headers then goes into a full 3 inch system with an x-pipe i got off of ebay and dual flowmaster 40's.

Hope this helps.

Novaman Oscar
26th-June-2009, 05:26 PM
Engine is a stock 400 small block with an edelbrock performer intake and a 750 cfm edelbrock carb. It has THIS (http://summitracing.com/parts/SUM-1785/) camshaft in it and dumps into hooker comp headers then goes into a full 3 inch system with an x-pipe i got off of ebay and dual flowmaster 40's.

Hope this helps.

ahhh not bad at all. that cam will work on my 350 right? i have the performer rpm but i only got a 600cfm eddy carb

elblako91
26th-June-2009, 05:30 PM
It should. 350's and 400's are almost identical. I had stock internals valves pistons pushrods heads... ect ect. I've had members tell me that the cam wasn't the most efficient for making power but at least it made more power than the stock cam and sounds great to. Pulls hard around 2200 rpms all the way up to 5100. Even with the 600 it should sound pretty close to mine if thats what you're aiming for.

elblako91
26th-June-2009, 05:32 PM
Oh and the camshaft you heard in that video was made by crane cams. They however do not make it any more. Probably because they went out of business but the summit one i showed you in the link is the exact same grind as the crane cam, it is just the summit house brand. I am in the process of putting a new 400 in and my crane cam is ruined so i ordered the summit one.

good luck

Novaman Oscar
26th-June-2009, 05:46 PM
Oh and the camshaft you heard in that video was made by crane cams. They however do not make it any more. Probably because they went out of business but the summit one i showed you in the link is the exact same grind as the crane cam, it is just the summit house brand. I am in the process of putting a new 400 in and my crane cam is ruined so i ordered the summit one.

good luck

ahhh sweet man sounds very nice..what else should be put? just that cam?

elblako91
26th-June-2009, 05:50 PM
Thats all my engine has in it so far. My next move is to go with some aluminum heads next. Are you trying to just go for the sound?

Novaman Oscar
26th-June-2009, 05:51 PM
Thats all my engine has in it so far. My next move is to go with some aluminum heads next. Are you trying to just go for the sound?

ya right now i just want the nice rumble the sound i dont want stock sound i like that mean sound :devil: but later on im gonna get new heads as well and lots more but right now just sound really

6NOVA4
26th-June-2009, 06:02 PM
whatever cam you use you need the correct springs set up for whatever heads you use. Back in the day we used to use stock 350 with stock pistons and use camel hump heads which are 64 cc and 2.02 valves to bump up the compression and run either a comp 280 magnum or the Isky 280 mega hydraulic flat tappet cam. 1 3/4" headers and 2.5" exhaust with a good stall speed converter and the combo would run great. Of course used roller rockers and victor jr manifolds and 750 carbs. It gave the sound and made decent power.

There are way better cams out today than those. Look at the Voodoo line from Lunati.

Novaman Oscar
26th-June-2009, 06:06 PM
whatever cam you use you need the correct springs set up for whatever heads you use. Back in the day we used to use stock 350 with stock pistons and use camel hump heads which are 64 cc and 2.02 valves to bump up the compression and run either a comp 280 magnum or the Isky 280 mega hydraulic flat tappet cam. 1 3/4" headers and 2.5" exhaust with a good stall speed converter and the combo would run great. Of course used roller rockers and victor jr manifolds and 750 carbs. It gave the sound and made decent power.

There are way better cams out today than those. Look at the Voodoo line from Lunati.

ya i dont know much about cams so i guess i need help to pick one :yes:

chevyIIheavy
26th-June-2009, 07:56 PM
you can get that sound from a www.compcams.com thumper series cam remember if your going to put a cam in everything has to work together. what i mean is what do you have for compression right now ? it would be pretty pointless to put a big rumpty cam in a 8 to 1 compression motor :no:

Paul Wright
26th-June-2009, 10:45 PM
It should. 350's and 400's are almost identical. I had stock internals valves pistons pushrods heads... ect ect. I've had members tell me that the cam wasn't the most efficient for making power but at least it made more power than the stock cam and sounds great to. Pulls hard around 2200 rpms all the way up to 5100. Even with the 600 it should sound pretty close to mine if thats what you're aiming for.

They aren't identical if they have 50 more cubic inches! Cam functionality is dependent on displacement. A cam that's works OK in a 400 will be more radical in a smaller engine. Conversely, a cam that's ok in a 350 will be mild in a 400.

With low compression and stock poor flowing heads and a too big cam, you run the risk of a crappy running engine....all for the sake of trying to duplicate some "sound"? That's backwards.

Well built engines sound good for a reason and it's not because they simply bought "xyz" cam. Build an engine right and the sweet sound will be there.

And by the way, all the You Tube clips are just wanna-be's imagining they are fast because they are noisy.

btw, IMO anybody that can't avoid spray painting his valve springs isn't a real engine builder. I can just imagine that paint flaking off and circulating through the oil system. But hey, he has a lumpy idle. Woo hoo.

novaracer1
26th-June-2009, 11:00 PM
btw, IMO anybody that can't avoid spray painting his valve springs isn't a real engine builder. I can just imagine that paint flaking off and circulating through the oil system. But hey, he has a lumpy idle. Woo hoo.

I was wondering about that as well.:yes::no::eek::D

Novaman Oscar
27th-June-2009, 03:47 AM
well i have a stock engine and ive heard some 350's with just a mild cam or bigger whatever and it sounded very nice all that was change was the cam nothing else all stock and it sounded sweet thats what im looking for right now i dont want new heads and all that right now later down the road yes but right now i dont wanna stock sound i was something mean

Paul Wright
27th-June-2009, 10:17 AM
The Comp Cams Thumpr line (http://www.compcams.com/thumpr/default.asp) is designed for what you want but even the smallest requires a converter and gears plus valve springs with attention to installed height/coil bind to clear the lift.

A quick look found an Elgin cam with the following specs:
.450/.450 274/274 218/218 106 LC 2000-5200 Rough idle. PN E1785PM
This is a cam that could go in a bone stock 350, stock exhaust manifolds, using stock valve springs (though I'd still want to put some new Z/28 springs and ditch the rotators if you have those) Cost is $100 with lifters. This is by no means the only cam, just an example. Usually you need at least a 2,000 rpm converter with most big lumpy cams if you want some driveability.

The Big Al
27th-June-2009, 12:58 PM
well i have a stock engine and ive heard some 350's with just a mild cam or bigger whatever and it sounded very nice all that was change was the cam nothing else all stock and it sounded sweet thats what im looking for right now i dont want new heads and all that right now later down the road yes but right now i dont wanna stock sound i was something mean

On a budget and not MAX HP concerned this would be a good choice and the cam shaft sound is there.

http://classicstore.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2DK1105&autoview=sku

Summit cam & lifter kit: SUM-K1105

elblako91
27th-June-2009, 01:04 PM
I was wondering about that as well.:yes::no::eek::D

Times three.

elblako91
27th-June-2009, 01:06 PM
The Comp Cams Thumpr line (http://www.compcams.com/thumpr/default.asp) is designed for what you want but even the smallest requires a converter and gears plus valve springs with attention to installed height/coil bind to clear the lift.

A quick look found an Elgin cam with the following specs:
.450/.450 274/274 218/218 106 LC 2000-5200 Rough idle.
This is a cam that could go in a bone stock 350, stock exhaust manifolds, using stock valve springs (though I'd still want to put some new Z/28 springs and ditch the rotators if you have those) Cost is $100 with lifters. This is by no means the only cam, just an example. Usually you need at least a 2,000 rpm converter with most big lumpy cams if you want some driveability.

And i guess I worded that wrong what i meant to say was that the cam would work in the 350 and 400 according to summit. It says that it would work in both applications.

Novaman Oscar
27th-June-2009, 08:00 PM
On a budget and not MAX HP concerned this would be a good choice and the cam shaft sound is there.

http://classicstore.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2DK1105&autoview=sku

Summit cam & lifter kit: SUM-K1105

is this a good cam? im not to much on a budget but if this is a good cam and all then ill get it :yes: i thought someone would tell me like a comp cam lunati not sure how to spell it or something else but if that will do then ok :yes:

77NovaRacer
27th-June-2009, 08:49 PM
Good compression and a nice bumpstick.

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1963 white nova
27th-June-2009, 11:01 PM
my computer sound has been meesed up since the storm we had .....but,i had a comp cams magnum 280 with 480 lift. dude it ws cool i loved the heavy choppy idle that it produced ,and it was running glasspacks. if you put a set of flowmasters behind this it would be such an awesome sound!:yes:

Novaman Oscar
27th-June-2009, 11:15 PM
my computer sound has been meesed up since the storm we had .....but,i had a comp cams magnum 280 with 480 lift. dude it ws cool i loved the heavy choppy idle that it produced ,and it was running glasspacks. if you put a set of flowmasters behind this it would be such an awesome sound!:yes:

dam i love that choppy sound :yes: im pretty sure ill get some flowmasters just cant beat that sound

danthegeek
27th-June-2009, 11:35 PM
The Comp Cams Thumpr line (http://www.compcams.com/thumpr/default.asp) is designed for what you want but even the smallest requires a converter and gears plus valve springs with attention to installed height/coil bind to clear the lift.

A quick look found an Elgin cam with the following specs:
.450/.450 274/274 218/218 106 LC 2000-5200 Rough idle.
This is a cam that could go in a bone stock 350, stock exhaust manifolds, using stock valve springs (though I'd still want to put some new Z/28 springs and ditch the rotators if you have those) Cost is $100 with lifters. This is by no means the only cam, just an example. Usually you need at least a 2,000 rpm converter with most big lumpy cams if you want some driveability.

If its just sound you are after, I would go with the Elgin cam Paul listed. (SUMMITS version (http://classicstore.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM-1785&view=1&N=700+)). I have a Comp XE268 in my nova but the amount of overlap at idle is only 1 degree more. So if you went with that one, this is basically how it would sound: VIDEO (http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m65/danthegeek/?action=view&current=Movie_0002-2.flv)

Its a low compression 350 just like yours with a performer intake, 600cfm carb, 2 1/2 exhaust with flowmaster 40 series mufflers.

-Dan

The Big Al
28th-June-2009, 03:39 AM
is this a good cam? im not to much on a budget but if this is a good cam and all then ill get it :yes: i thought someone would tell me like a comp cam lunati not sure how to spell it or something else but if that will do then ok :yes:

In the basic request there is no need to purchase a name brand for such a simple cam grind. Besides the common grinds are mostly ground by one supplier and sold threw all the name brands.

For the sound, this is gonna be a cam sounding engine. This cam is very friendly for everyday driving with good vacuum.

IMO
Al

Novaman Oscar
28th-June-2009, 05:54 AM
In the basic request there is no need to purchase a name brand for such a simple cam grind. Besides the common grinds are mostly ground by one supplier and sold threw all the name brands.

For the sound, this is gonna be a cam sounding engine. This cam is very friendly for everyday driving with good vacuum.

IMO
Al

ahhh sounds good but i have people telling me to get something else so its hard to land one when i get so many different ones being said to get

The Big Al
28th-June-2009, 06:17 AM
ahhh sounds good but i have people telling me to get something else so its hard to land one when i get so many different ones being said to get

When it all comes down to it.

The experts are the cam company's.

Lunati cams will give the best & honest info, if you give them your info.

Some cam company's are for making the sale. The deal is making the sale, not whats best for you.

options on cams is wide and deep. Lot of people want to be the "CAM" expert.

All I can do is suggest based on personal experience with myself or customer results.

Engine sound is based on complete engine system and tune, not just the cam shaft.

Call or e-mail Lunati, be honest and have all your info.

Use this link
http://www.lunatipower.com/FindMyCam.aspx

The Comp cam Thumper will do what you want if sound is all you care about. They are about the sale, not the result. (IMO)


Good luck
Al

Novaman Oscar
28th-June-2009, 06:35 AM
When it all comes down to it.

The experts are the cam company's.

Lunati cams will give the best & honest info, if you give them your info.

Some cam company's are for making the sale. The deal is making the sale, not whats best for you.

options on cams is wide and deep. Lot of people want to be the "CAM" expert.

All I can do is suggest based on personal experience with myself or customer results.

Engine sound is based on complete engine system and tune, not just the cam shaft.

Call or e-mail Lunati, be honest and have all your info.

Use this link
http://www.lunatipower.com/FindMyCam.aspx

The Comp cam Thumper will do what you want if sound is all you care about. They are about the sale, not the result. (IMO)


Good luck
Al

this is gonna be my daily driver for now so i want a nice sound not to worried about hp right now but later on im gonna change heads and such but as of now i want that nice sound if its gonna be my dd i dont want stock sound when im driving i want that muscle sound..so what cam do you think will do me good and thats trusty? your gonna be my engine guy haha :yes:

The Big Al
28th-June-2009, 06:50 AM
this is gonna be my daily driver for now so i want a nice sound not to worried about hp right now but later on im gonna change heads and such but as of now i want that nice sound if its gonna be my dd i dont want stock sound when im driving i want that muscle sound..so what cam do you think will do me good and thats trusty? your gonna be my engine guy haha :yes:



http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=1984&gid=287

Lunati 60103

Novaman Oscar
28th-June-2009, 06:52 AM
http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=1984&gid=287

Lunati 60103

dam those cams look nice!! what else should i get? dose it matter if i get it from summit or there site? would that work with my current engine, carb, intake?..this is it right? this one has the lifters and is about 20 bucks cheaper

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/LUN-60103LK/?image=large

Paul Wright
28th-June-2009, 09:16 AM
That Voodoo cam will make more power but with approx 52 degrees of overlap won't have as much choppy race car idle you seem to be wanting and with .504" lift require new valve springs, especially if you have stock exhaust valve rotators in which case you'll need new retainers.

Because you are using bone stock heads, you might want to avoid cams with more than .460" of lift and an rpm band over 5200 unless you are going to change your old, stock valve springs.

I already gave you a cam that will have a choppy idle (106 LSA) costs less than name brand cams and will allow you to use the your stock springs on that low compression engine with poor flowing heads.
The Summit version posted in the links by DantheGeek and elblako91 is the same cam. It has 62 degrees of overlap which is what contributes to the choppy idle you seem to want.

Novaman Oscar
28th-June-2009, 09:27 AM
That Voodoo cam will make more power but with approx 52 degrees of overlap won't have as much choppy race car idle you seem to be wanting and with .504" lift require new valve springs, especially if you have stock exhaust valve rotators in which case you'll need new retainers.

Because you are using bone stock heads, you might want to avoid cams with more than .460" of lift and an rpm band over 5200 unless you are going to change your old, stock valve springs.

I already gave you a cam that will have a choppy idle (106 LSA) costs less than name brand cams and will allow you to use the your stock springs on that low compression engine with poor flowing heads.
The Summit version posted in the link by DantheGeek is the same cam and has 62 degrees of overlap which is what contributes to the choppy idle you seem to want.

ooo im sorry must have not seen the post..was there a link to the cam..o wait nvm i saw it..so is there a difference between the summit one and that thumper one?

Baddbob
28th-June-2009, 11:29 AM
A quick look found an Elgin cam with the following specs:
.450/.450 274/274 218/218 106 LC 2000-5200 Rough idle.
This is a cam that could go in a bone stock 350, stock exhaust manifolds, using stock valve springs (though I'd still want to put some new Z/28 springs and ditch the rotators if you have those) Cost is $100 with lifters. This is by no means the only cam, just an example. Usually you need at least a 2,000 rpm converter with most big lumpy cams if you want some driveability.


Crane made a fireball cam that had those specs years ago and a friend of mine had one in a basically stock rebuilt 350, it did sound very good for what it was. That Elgin cam would be a good pick. Advance it 4-6 degrees to add some cranking compression for throttle response and to get the exhaust valve opening sooner for more pop out the exhaust. Don't run mufflers or an H or X pipe and it'll sound mean and lopey.

elblako91
28th-June-2009, 11:34 AM
A quick look found an Elgin cam with the following specs:
.450/.450 274/274 218/218 106 LC 2000-5200 Rough idle.
This is a cam that could go in a bone stock 350, stock exhaust manifolds, using stock valve springs (though I'd still want to put some new Z/28 springs and ditch the rotators if you have those) Cost is $100 with lifters. This is by no means the only cam, just an example. Usually you need at least a 2,000 rpm converter with most big lumpy cams if you want some driveability.


Crane made a fireball cam that had those specs years ago and a friend of mine had one in a basically stock rebuilt 350, it did sound very good for what it was. That Elgin cam would be a good pick. Advance it 4-6 degrees to add some cranking compression for throttle response and to get the exhaust valve opening sooner for more pop out the exhaust. Don't run mufflers or an H or X pipe and it'll sound mean and lopey.

This is the same grind i recommended earlier except it was a summit brand and cheaper. I also agree with "baddbob" that this is not the ONLY cam. I have this in my 400 and like it. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it that if you have stock valve train that you do not want to exceed .450 lift without upgrading your valve train?

Paul Wright
28th-June-2009, 12:38 PM
This is the same grind i recommended earlier except it was a summit brand and cheaper. I also agree with "baddbob" that this is not the ONLY cam. I have this in my 400 and like it.

That makes 5 members recommending 106 LSA and 3 of us picking the exact same cam grind. If it's choppy in a 400 it's going to be more choppy in a smaller 350. The header/exhaust system elblako91 described will help enhance the sound.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it that if you have stock valve train that you do not want to exceed .450 lift without upgrading your valve train?
Yes, I mentioned that in my post.

Crane made a fireball cam that had those specs years ago and a friend of mine had one in a basically stock rebuilt 350, it did sound very good for what it was. That Elgin cam would be a good pick. Advance it 4-6 degrees to add some cranking compression for throttle response and to get the exhaust valve opening sooner for more pop out the exhaust. Don't run mufflers or an H or X pipe and it'll sound mean and lopey.

Cranes Energizer 100172 (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRN-100172/) has the same specs. With Crane out of business it's no longer available, but the summit version is. I don't have a cam card but I would guess it's already ground 4 degrees advanced.

Update 6/29/09: I found the 1785 cam info online at Elgin industries. The cam is ground 4 degrees advanced 102 ICL. The actual intake close is 71 degrees. With a 9:1 350 in good condition, the cranking pressure would be calculated at 165 psi. So much for the myth that "overlap bleeds off cylinder pressure". Overlap TDC is 180 cam degrees away from Compression TDC. What overlap does is allow both valves are open simultaneously longer at exhaust TDC causing exhaust gas to contaminate the intake air and giving that idle sound you want.

Manifold vacuum would be lower, of course but you can't have a choppy idle and good vacuum too.

The Big Al
28th-June-2009, 02:08 PM
IMO! Not directed to anyone's personal choice.

Installing a 106LSA cam is NOT a good choice for a daily driver. FUEL consumption will be a issue. It will also have vacuum issues, hard start issues. NOT A DAILY DRIVER. That cam goes all the way back 30 years in the old Melling grinds. Might still be!

The 2 cams I listed will not have STOCK sound.

If your going to change the cam, install a cam with some lift .480/.500 if your going to do the work, get some get up & go out of it.

Cooda woooda shoooda! I have seen it to many times.

IMO,
If sound & daily driver is the issue, the Summit cam I suggest. And the cam is all I want then save some money.

For best result, IMO, the Lunati and a future head upgrade and will keep his daily driver. Valve spring upgrade goes with understanding.


The Lunati Voodoo Cam line is performance first!


Lumpity Lumpity Lumpity is one thing.

A crisp lope with deep acceleration is another. And the one that leads the pack. This is muscle car sound.

Al

Paul Wright
28th-June-2009, 02:32 PM
Al, I already advised him to build it right but he apparently doesn't want to or doesn't have the budget for things like springs much less good heads. His only stated criteria was the choppy idle sound. With only 218 degrees of duration he won't have major issues. With .450" lift he won't have issues with coil bind. With a power band up to 5,200 he won't have high rpm issues. He's only going to spend about $100-125 (not including gaskets and oil) to have his cool sound. With the other cams he's going to have to take the heads to have someone else install the springs correctly. It's going to more involved and a slippery slope. If you want to mentor him, solve the ensuing problems, then be my guest.

I agree with you but he's only 18 and thinks he knows what he wants. Like they say: "Careful what you ask for, you just might get it".

slow3oh
28th-June-2009, 02:54 PM
id much rather have this sound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ed2xcSrAh0&feature=channel_page

chuckha62
28th-June-2009, 03:05 PM
Having the benefit of retrospect of MANY years now, I can say that I THOUGHT I knew what I was doing when I was in my late teens and early twenties. The biggest problem I had (unbeknownst to me, at the time) was that I was listening to all the WRONG information and buying into and/or misunderstanding all the wrong advertising.

I had a decent running and awesome sounding 340 in my '67 Barracuda, but looking back, it was over cammed, over carbed, under stalled and under geared! You couldn't tell me that then though! With benefit of age and more widely available information, I can tell you to listen to the advice given here. Paul and Big Al are steering you in the right direction. The benefit of having parts that work together makes a night and day difference! I know it's hard but save your money now. Keep you car running as a decent daily driver and do it right when you've collected all the parts to meet your goal. You won't be sorry!

My $.02 worth!

Chuck

The Big Al
28th-June-2009, 03:29 PM
Al, I already advised him to build it right but he apparently doesn't want to or doesn't have the budget for things like springs much less good heads. His only stated criteria was the choppy idle sound. With only 218 degrees of duration he won't have major issues. With .450" lift he won't have issues with coil bind. With a power band up to 5,200 he won't have high rpm issues. He's only going to spend about $100-125 (not including gaskets and oil) to have his cool sound. With the other cams he's going to have to take the heads to have someone else install the springs correctly. It's going to more involved and a slippery slope. If you want to mentor him, solve the ensuing problems, then be my guest.

I agree with you but he's only 18 and thinks he knows what he wants. Like they say: "Careful what you ask for, you just might get it".

Yep!:D:)

He ask for a diving board and cold water! You served it up!!:yes:

I am warning him just how deep the water is!
I say jump from the side of the pool! He still gets cold water! :devil:


Al

6NOVA4
28th-June-2009, 04:53 PM
Yep!:D:)

He ask for a diving board and cold water! You served it up!!:yes:

I am warning him just how deep the water is!
I say jump from the side of the pool! He still gets cold water! :devil:


Al

hahaha thats some funny stuff right there. I say let him stick some 480/280 comp cam like we all did when we were 18 and figure it out from there....:devil:

danthegeek
28th-June-2009, 05:26 PM
Haha, this is all so true. I got what I wanted and didnt listen to the cam companies. I should have gone with the 256 or 262 voodoo cam recommended by lunati. Instead i went with the comp 268 xe because it was bigger and had a lopey idle. Well, i got what I wanted and it turned out to be a slug from a stop. A new converter and gears made it much faster, but isnt as fun to drive. No way i would want to drive that thing every day.

If I was going to drive this car everyday, the first thing i would do is rip out that comp cam. I would install something with no more the 212 degrees duration on the intake side and around 110-112 LSA. then put the 2200 rpm converter back in and 3.08 gears. You know, like it was before I started messing it all up. I miss that car.

-Dan

Novaman Oscar
28th-June-2009, 08:20 PM
dam im so confused now :confused: so should i not change my cam then and just keep everything stock? and what dose me being 18 have anything to do with? ya i know what i want as of right now casue this is going to be my daily driver for now and i mean i would like for it to sound nice instead of that weak stock sound right now i cant afford to get new heads and such but i can get things like the cam liters springs but if you guys think i shouldnt then im all ears im taking everyones advice into consideration i need as much help as i can get

youngin69nova
28th-June-2009, 08:26 PM
why dont you change things one thing at a time as money comes along i remember the thread of you getting exhaust but not sure if you ever got it but i say that should be your first step of a nice sound and plus you wont have to upgrade again later as you get more power. then maybe an intake swap and once you get some money some decent heads that will support this big nice sounding cam you want cause whats better than sounding awesome and then being able to back it up and this way you wont have to go back and change things and waste money cause you didnt do it right the first time

Novaman Oscar
28th-June-2009, 08:30 PM
why dont you change things one thing at a time as money comes along i remember the thread of you getting exhaust but not sure if you ever got it but i say that should be your first step of a nice sound and plus you wont have to upgrade again later as you get more power. then maybe an intake swap and once you get some money some decent heads that will support this big nice sounding cam you want cause whats better than sounding awesome and then being able to back it up and this way you wont have to go back and change things and waste money cause you didnt do it right the first time

ooo ya im still getting the new exhaust as for intake i have a performer rpm brand new so i have that, i just dont think that an all stock 350 will sound good with some flowmasters thats y i wanted to change my cam to get a better sound but i guess ill change that later then if its just gonna hurt me in the long run

elblako91
28th-June-2009, 09:02 PM
Just get the cam i listed its only 83 dollars or something like that. It will sound the same as my car.

Novaman Oscar
28th-June-2009, 09:14 PM
i also love the sound of the one dan gave me in the video is sounded very very nice and he has the same engine i have and the same set up i plan to get..this is the cam

http://classicstore.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM-1785&view=1&N=700+

jjj5757
28th-June-2009, 09:23 PM
Here is a thought, running a stock 350 with a 600cfm carb and stock heads and a 106 LSA cam will result in poor gas mileage and low vacuum especially if you are running power brakes. At low rpm you will run into issues with the brake booster.

I am running a stock 350 with a Edelbrock 600 CFM carb, and a performer RPM intake, stock heads. Sanderson headers and flowmaster 40's on 2.5 inch exhaust. The Nova has power disc brakes. The cam choice was a Elgin 921P with a 114 LSA on the cam. This is a very similar grind to the 350 350HP cam produced by chevrolet.

Dyno results on this setup are 320 hp and 365 lbs torque, this setup is a strong puller from 1800 to 5500 rpm. The advantage is you can run a stock converter, pump gas and the vacuum is not an issue. It may not be as rumpety as you want but after the rumpety thrill wears off you will be happier not fighting all this issues and expense of running a stock 350 with too much cam. Just my .02

Novaman Oscar
28th-June-2009, 09:31 PM
Here is a thought, running a stock 350 with a 600cfm carb and stock heads and a 106 LSA cam will result in poor gas mileage and low vacuum especially if you are running power brakes. At low rpm you will run into issues with the brake booster.

I am running a stock 350 with a Edelbrock 600 CFM carb, and a performer RPM intake, stock heads. Sanderson headers and flowmaster 40's on 2.5 inch exhaust. The Nova has power disc brakes. The cam choice was a Elgin 921P with a 114 LSA on the cam. This is a very similar grind to the 350 350HP cam produced by chevrolet.

Dyno results on this setup are 320 hp and 365 lbs torque, this setup is a strong puller from 1800 to 5500 rpm. The advantage is you can run a stock converter, pump gas and the vacuum is not an issue. It may not be as rumpety as you want but after the rumpety thrill wears off you will be happier not fighting all this issues and expense of running a stock 350 with too much cam. Just my .02

what about that summit cam posted before?

jjj5757
28th-June-2009, 09:39 PM
what about that summit cam posted before?

It still has a small lobe separation of 106, basically think of it as the intake and exhaust valves being open at the same time (valve overlap), when this occurs the engine cannot produce vacuum. The wider the separation on the lobes the less valve overlap and thus more vacuum. So 106 degrees LSA (lobe separation angle) vs 114 degrees LSA. It all results in performance degredation and potential fuel and vacuum issues versus a rempety sound.

Novaman Oscar
28th-June-2009, 09:45 PM
It still has a small lobe separation of 106, basically think of it as the intake and exhaust valves being open at the same time (valve overlap), when this occurs the engine cannot produce vacuum. The wider the separation on the lobes the less valve overlap and thus more vacuum. So 106 degrees LSA (lobe separation angle) vs 114 degrees LSA. It all results in performance degredation and potential fuel and vacuum issues versus a rempety sound.

ya dan told me it was good for what i wanted and its in his 350 with all the same things as mine and the same set up im gonna get and it sounds great just what i like

youngin69nova
28th-June-2009, 11:22 PM
whats your budget to spend on the car as of now after the exhaust

Novaman Oscar
28th-June-2009, 11:39 PM
whats your budget to spend on the car as of now after the exhaust

it all depends on how much the exhaust shop charges and if i decide to buy the pipes my self or have them make it so it varies

danthegeek
28th-June-2009, 11:48 PM
ya dan told me it was good for what i wanted and its in his 350 with all the same things as mine and the same set up im gonna get and it sounds great just what i like

The one I have is this one (http://classicstore.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CCA-CL12-242-2&autoview=sku). I would not go with this one for your car. you will need a new torque converter and gears to make the car easy to drive.

THIS CAM (http://classicstore.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM-1785&view=1&N=700+) will sound almost exactly like the cam in my car. they have almost the same valve overlap which gives them that lumpy idle.

-Dan

youngin69nova
28th-June-2009, 11:48 PM
k well if your budget is big enough to get a cam or a pair of heads will you be able to do the work yourself? and if you get a nice pair of vortec heads which will raise your compression giving you a nice exhaust tone tone like these cars you keep posting (correct me if im wrong guys but higher compression will help with the desired sound)?

Novaman Oscar
29th-June-2009, 12:06 AM
The one I have is this one (http://classicstore.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CCA-CL12-242-2&autoview=sku). I would not go with this one for your car. you will need a new torque converter and gears to make the car easy to drive.

THIS CAM (http://classicstore.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM-1785&view=1&N=700+) will sound almost exactly like the cam in my car. they have almost the same valve overlap which gives them that lumpy idle.

-Dan

so the second cam will do better with my engine? no problems at all?

Novaman Oscar
29th-June-2009, 03:54 AM
k well if your budget is big enough to get a cam or a pair of heads will you be able to do the work yourself? and if you get a nice pair of vortec heads which will raise your compression giving you a nice exhaust tone tone like these cars you keep posting (correct me if im wrong guys but higher compression will help with the desired sound)?

naw i cant fit heads in my budget right now. but i thinking it over more on me even getting a cam like if its just gonna hurt then i might not even do it ill just get the new exhaust and spend money else where (new front tires, shocks etc)
my budget will allow a new cam and such just if its gonna hurt me now i might just hold off on it until i get a bigger budget to buy heads and such

6NOVA4
29th-June-2009, 07:22 PM
that 2nd cam is the same cam Big Al and Paul are suggesting. should work in your stock application.

Novaman Oscar
29th-June-2009, 10:21 PM
that 2nd cam is the same cam Big Al and Paul are suggesting. should work in your stock application.

ooo ok thanks for clarifying :yes:..god you guys must all be sick of me asking so many questions :puke:

sosick
29th-June-2009, 10:57 PM
i just put the comp cams big mutha thumper in my 350 and its sounds soooo siiick! i love the cam. but it does require things like intake exaust and gears so i dunno if u have that or would want to. u can check it out on youtube

taz3
29th-June-2009, 11:22 PM
ooo ok thanks for clarifying :yes:..god you guys must all be sick of me asking so many questions :puke:

No we've all been there, the hard part is trying to get you to see the forest for the trees. You'll find Paul has some pretty impressive credentials when it comes to engine builds, so his advise is top notch. I understand where you're coming from being on a budget build, but it's important you take the time to realize these guys know their stuff and have no reason to steer you wrong. A DD is not always the best car to over hotrod, with gas being on the high side it will hurt you over the long haul. We all started out where you are, so we understand what you want!:yes:

6NOVA4
30th-June-2009, 02:36 AM
kinda off topic but along with what taz said back when I was in college I was still pretty green at cars I wanted to change my cam in my nova and get the rumpety rump sound too. My 350 was stock but I was told my heads wouldn't work with a cam over 460 lift. I wanted a 480/280 cam but wound up putting in a comp 268H which worked with my stock heads. People told me it would go rumpety rump but it never did. Thing sounded stock. Ran good though but not what I wanted. Oh well....live and learn.

Novaman Oscar
30th-June-2009, 03:31 AM
No we've all been there, the hard part is trying to get you to see the forest for the trees. You'll find Paul has some pretty impressive credentials when it comes to engine builds, so his advise is top notch. I understand where you're coming from being on a budget build, but it's important you take the time to realize these guys know their stuff and have no reason to steer you wrong. A DD is not always the best car to over hotrod, with gas being on the high side it will hurt you over the long haul. We all started out where you are, so we understand what you want!:yes:

this is going to be my dd for now and by daily driver i mean like 3 times a week max that ill take her out im saving some on the side with my mom to get a daily driver to use all the time and the nova will be a special occasion hang with friends a few times a week but it wont get to much road time :no:

Novaman Oscar
30th-June-2009, 03:33 AM
i trust everyone on here and i take the advice given to me serious im glad people helped me to get what i want

Novaman Oscar
30th-June-2009, 04:13 AM
is there a matching lifter kit that goes with that shaft? also if needed what valve springs do i get?

Zacs 65
30th-June-2009, 07:29 PM
Trust me im 19 and wanted the same thing u did and put the biggest flat tappet thumpr i could find in a pretty much bone stock 350 that was .040 over and yea it rocked the car at a stop but man it sucked the gas and really beat up all the bearings. It was not built enough then and was a real slug. She runs like h*** now :D

Novaman Oscar
30th-June-2009, 07:31 PM
Trust me im 19 and wanted the same thing u did and put the biggest flat tappet thumpr i could find in a pretty much bone stock 350 that was .040 over and yea it rocked the car at a stop but man it sucked the gas and really beat up all the bearings. It was not built enough then and was a real slug. She runs like h*** now :D

haha im not putting the biggest one i can im going with what i was told will work fine on it and not cause any problems but ya i know what ya mean bro

Novaman Oscar
6th-July-2009, 01:20 AM
hey i got a few questions on the cam that was recommended to me this one. i was wondering is there a matching kit with the lifters and such that go with it? also do i need to change the valve springs? if so what springs do i get

http://classicstore.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM-1785&view=1&N=700+

Paul Wright
6th-July-2009, 10:49 AM
That cam is not my recommendation for what I think you should do. It's simply going to give you the choppy idle you think you want.
I don't recommend what you are attempting but since you are hell bent on doing it, here's a likely candidate for little money.
http://www.competitionproducts.com/images/CPVSA3.gif
http://www.competitionproducts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=VSA3

$60 and it includes new retainers and locks. You'll need top end gasket set, timing cover set, valve seals. Rent or borrow a valve spring compressor after you get the heads off. You'll also want to check your valve guides once you get the old springs off. If the valves wiggle in the guides they are shot. I wouldn't sink money into fixing the old heads. It would be better to get new aftermarket heads and get the flow increase.

If you don't plan for that very real possibility, you'll end up have a non running engine with parts everywhere.

Tearing your engine down is fairly easy with the right tools. Getting your engine running again will be the hard part if you've never done it before.

Novaman Oscar
6th-July-2009, 06:29 PM
That cam is not my recommendation for what I think you should do. It's simply going to give you the choppy idle you think you want.
I don't recommend what you are attempting but since you are hell bent on doing it, here's a likely candidate for little money.
http://www.competitionproducts.com/images/CPVSA3.gif
http://www.competitionproducts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=VSA3

$60 and it includes new retainers and locks. You'll need top end gasket set, timing cover set, valve seals. Rent or borrow a valve spring compressor after you get the heads off. You'll also want to check your valve guides once you get the old springs off. If the valves wiggle in the guides they are shot. I wouldn't sink money into fixing the old heads. It would be better to get new aftermarket heads and get the flow increase.

If you don't plan for that very real possibility, you'll end up have a non running engine with parts everywhere.

Tearing your engine down is fairly easy with the right tools. Getting your engine running again will be the hard part if you've never done it before.

well what do you recommend for the cam? and my heads are fine as far as i know car only has 66,000 miles but ill check um, im not sure on the cam to get ive had a few people tell me what i should use so its a pain in the ace to pick one

Novaman Oscar
6th-July-2009, 09:43 PM
well im pretty sure this is the cam im going with this one

http://classicstore.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM-K00172&autoview=sku

now on to the springs and retainers, would this kit work with that cam?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-174000/Application/?prefilter=1

jjj5757
7th-July-2009, 12:24 AM
I think its great you are giving this a lot of consideration, one word of caution, that description that Summit writes on the cam takes a lot into consideration. Such as gears, valve springs, vacuum booster in some cases if you're running a power brake booster. I know that having the sound is important and trust me we have all been there.

Sound backed up by performance equals money or sound without performance equals just sound and eventually an unhappy car owner.

This cam may sound great but when you put your foot in it and its a dog you might think twice, especially after all the work you are going to put into this cam swap. On the other hand you might be happy with it just because it sounds good and you know what I say more power to you if that is the case.

Either way best of luck on your project and I know the members on this site will continue to support your efforts no matter what. We all have our opinions but its your car so make it the way you want.:yes:

Novaman Oscar
7th-July-2009, 12:37 AM
I think its great you are giving this a lot of consideration, one word of caution, that description that Summit writes on the cam takes a lot into consideration. Such as gears, valve springs, vacuum booster in some cases if you're running a power brake booster. I know that having the sound is important and trust me we have all been there.

Sound backed up by performance equals money or sound without performance equals just sound and eventually an unhappy car owner.

This cam may sound great but when you put your foot in it and its a dog you might think twice, especially after all the work you are going to put into this cam swap. On the other hand you might be happy with it just because it sounds good and you know what I say more power to you if that is the case.

Either way best of luck on your project and I know the members on this site will continue to support your efforts no matter what. We all have our opinions but its your car so make it the way you want.:yes:


you know i was thinking this a lot and i might not go through with this cam swap after all seems like it might hurt more then help yes i love the sound a lot but its gonna cost me quite a bit for just sound and no performance kind of stupid in a way i think in the end its just gonna be a waste of money with my budget right now i can do it but i wont have enough to get all the other things i need like tires shocks and such im thinking to far ahead im more worried about sound then having her run good and look a little better and thats stupid i think i might just get her running change the headers and get that new exhaust system and after i save some more money ill swap the cam change the heads and get stuff to make some power

chevyIIheavy
7th-July-2009, 01:35 AM
you know i was thinking this a lot and i might not go through with this cam swap after all seems like it might hurt more then help yes i love the sound a lot but its gonna cost me quite a bit for just sound and no performance kind of stupid in a way i think in the end its just gonna be a waste of money with my budget right now i can do it but i wont have enough to get all the other things i need like tires shocks and such im thinking to far ahead im more worried about sound then having her run good and look a little better and thats stupid i think i might just get her running change the headers and get that new exhaust system and after i save some more money ill swap the cam change the heads and get stuff to make some power

this is prolly the smartest approach you could do oscar trust me my car is still under construction and has been for 15 years or so and i did it by saving my money and buying little here and there. when my son was born i had to really budget my money for my car. 4 years later my daughter was born and well now i have to really budget my money for my car im sure most of us with children can relate. my wife hates my car with a passion because she doesnt understand why i spend my hard earned money on a primered p.o.s. in her eyes. its also very hard to decide what type of power you want to make there are guys on here with some really fast cars are they daily drivers ... i dont know... maybe... maybe not. start little my friend and youll be amazed at the end result. and dont worry about someone helping you. you have help right around the corner or all over the united states and some parts of canada, sweden, the philipines and i believe costa rica too

Novaman Oscar
7th-July-2009, 01:51 AM
this is prolly the smartest approach you could do oscar trust me my car is still under construction and has been for 15 years or so and i did it by saving my money and buying little here and there. when my son was born i had to really budget my money for my car. 4 years later my daughter was born and well now i have to really budget my money for my car im sure most of us with children can relate. my wife hates my car with a passion because she doesnt understand why i spend my hard earned money on a primered p.o.s. in her eyes. its also very hard to decide what type of power you want to make there are guys on here with some really fast cars are they daily drivers ... i dont know... maybe... maybe not. start little my friend and youll be amazed at the end result. and dont worry about someone helping you. you have help right around the corner or all over the united states and some parts of canada, sweden, the philipines and i believe costa rica too

ya your totally right i was just thinking like a 18 yr old dumbass would with a nice muscle car haha no offense to anyone but im gonna focus on more important things like getting get to run better changing tires shocks and such the little things that will make a difference now the cam can wait ill save up and get some good heads and a sweet cam but for now the exhaust and a good tune up :yes:

magoo
7th-July-2009, 07:41 PM
ya your totally right i was just thinking like a 18 yr old dumbass would with a nice muscle car haha no offense to anyone but im gonna focus on more important things like getting get to run better changing tires shocks and such the little things that will make a difference now the cam can wait ill save up and get some good heads and a sweet cam but for now the exhaust and a good tune up :yes:

ive followed this thread for days,and this was the first thing you said that made sense.
dont take that wrong.
be very happy you HAVE A RUNNING NOVA.alot of us here dont.I DONT!
fix her up as you go and you will be WAY happier than getting into a cam job and something goes dramatically wrong during install, or you hate it when its done and your car is down for a year.
TRUST ME!!
i was once 18:yes:

Novaman Oscar
8th-July-2009, 03:12 AM
ive followed this thread for days,and this was the first thing you said that made sense.
dont take that wrong.
be very happy you HAVE A RUNNING NOVA.alot of us here dont.I DONT!
fix her up as you go and you will be WAY happier than getting into a cam job and something goes dramatically wrong during install, or you hate it when its done and your car is down for a year.
TRUST ME!!
i was once 18:yes:

haha naw man i totally get what ur saying just had to open up my eyes to it. i was trying to rush it and i was completely overlooking it trying to do something thats not important o well better safe then sorry now ill just focus on getting get running tip top and getting some other needed things to it :yes:

JRouche
9th-July-2009, 02:10 AM
you know i was thinking this a lot and i might not go through with this cam swap after all seems like it might hurt more then help yes i love the sound a lot but its gonna cost me quite a bit for just sound and no performance kind of stupid in a way i think in the end its just gonna be a waste of money with my budget right now i can do it but i wont have enough to get all the other things i need like tires shocks and such im thinking to far ahead im more worried about sound then having her run good and look a little better and thats stupid i think i might just get her running change the headers and get that new exhaust system and after i save some more money ill swap the cam change the heads and get stuff to make some power

You know what. All the talk that you created was EXACTLY what you needed and wanted. Just asking for advice. I love it, you stepped up and asked the question and got many responses. Kinda sounds like you came to a conclusion.

I totally encourage guys to step in here and ask for advise. What I really like is you didnt get alot of bashing from the old heads. Just some sound advice. And really, thats some what uncommon on the various forums. Some places will have folks trying to belittle you and basically shame you into not wanting to post again. Not here.

The thing is, alot of us have been or are still in your shoes. Sometimes the shoes hurt. I know mine do often.

You sound like a really level headed guy, just another car guy like the rest of us.. A lil focus helps, I wish I could focus more and not look at the wrong end of things.. Yer ahead of me there pal...

Now LOL OK,, I have to throw my 2 pennies in cause heck, I read all the posts, I wanna chime in :)))) But glad you feel like you came to a decision.

K.. Edelbrock. Not a custom grinder of cams (for the most part). But they do tend to produce a package that will suit the daily drivers, like myself.

I have the RPM performer cam (7102) for the small block chevy. Its really got some decent numbers. The overlap isnt too far, the lift is reasonable and duration is a livable number. I have it in a basic 350, .30" over, nuthing special and power brakes. It has a snappy off idle throttle response, a nice idle sound through the 3" exhaust, a lil lopy (? a word??) and some surge (maybe the EFI). Decent fuel economy (again, EFI, but a carb wont suffer much) . Just a nice simple cam grind. Kinda like in between a dramatic cam and a mild cam. Just something to consider.

But I like the idea that you have considered all the advice and come to a conclusion... Thats thinking!!!!!!! Keep on posting your progress, I for one want to hear about it!! JR

Novaman Oscar
9th-July-2009, 02:24 AM
You know what. All the talk that you created was EXACTLY what you needed and wanted. Just asking for advice. I love it, you stepped up and asked the question and got many responses. Kinda sounds like you came to a conclusion.

I totally encourage guys to step in here and ask for advise. What I really like is you didnt get alot of bashing from the old heads. Just some sound advice. And really, thats some what uncommon on the various forums. Some places will have folks trying to belittle you and basically shame you into not wanting to post again. Not here.

The thing is, alot of us have been or are still in your shoes. Sometimes the shoes hurt. I know mine do often.

You sound like a really level headed guy, just another car guy like the rest of us.. A lil focus helps, I wish I could focus more and not look at the wrong end of things.. Yer ahead of me there pal...

Now LOL OK,, I have to throw my 2 pennies in cause heck, I read all the posts, I wanna chime in :)))) But glad you feel like you came to a decision.

K.. Edelbrock. Not a custom grinder of cams (for the most part). But they do tend to produce a package that will suit the daily drivers, like myself.

I have the RPM performer cam (7102) for the small block chevy. Its really got some decent numbers. The overlap isnt too far, the lift is reasonable and duration is a livable number. I have it in a basic 350, .30" over, nuthing special and power brakes. It has a snappy off idle throttle response, a nice idle sound through the 3" exhaust, a lil lopy (? a word??) and some surge (maybe the EFI). Decent fuel economy (again, EFI, but a carb wont suffer much) . Just a nice simple cam grind. Kinda like in between a dramatic cam and a mild cam. Just something to consider.

But I like the idea that you have considered all the advice and come to a conclusion... Thats thinking!!!!!!! Keep on posting your progress, I for one want to hear about it!! JR

ha thanks man, this is how i am on important things i dont make a move until i get all the facts and research a whole bunch i was thinking to far ahead with the cam thing so i though to my self slow it down and take a step back and re think it so i did and thats when i thought it and came to an answer in all honesty the cam thing can still happen if i wanted to but i think its best if i take care of what NEEDS to be done rather then what i WANT to have done and thats where i stopped my self i was so close to getting a cam the other day but i stopped and thought just use the money for what you really need which is not much right now but its important so that i get her running better. one thing is for sure i got a lot of great info that i took seriously and im still gonna keep it when the time comes to pick that cam which i dont think is to far off :no:

NANO396
11th-July-2010, 03:52 PM
hooker headers with 40 series mufflers...flowmaster! youtube it

flowmann
6th-August-2010, 08:01 PM
how do you get this sound? im looking to get that nice mild rumble or that cracking sound if you know what i mean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoH1-7sfg1A&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXGBbe9ahWM&feature=channel_page

When you work out all your engine options, you'll have to work through all the exhaust choices!
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Lugnut79
6th-August-2010, 10:54 PM
I think 14:1 sounds pretty damn good

mrtimstik
6th-August-2010, 11:11 PM
Cam, fenderwells, flowmasters......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w8MmZWEDgk

Novaman Oscar
6th-August-2010, 11:42 PM
wow i made this a while ago..well as far as cam and all goes that's gonna be my next thing maybe the winter upgrade :yes: